Nothing like an ACP telling you he was disappointed you took off from the intersection rather than backtrack the 500' on a 6500' runway. And that you got a 2/4. Some examiners are ridiculous in their unrealistic expectations.swixtt wrote:Hope you get a better examiner next time....
What were your flaps at on the initial roll?
PPL Flight Test - Partial Failure
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The easiest way to prevent examiner confusion, just tell him/her what you will be doing in advance. If they disagree with something, they will say something, and you can discuss your decision.
PDM - seems pretty easy to me.
PDM - seems pretty easy to me.
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There's no harm in asking, but don't expect a Pilot Examiner to give you advance confirmation that what you're going to do is correct. He or she should clarify the exercise you're being asked for, but it would be improper to comment on your proposed action.
And yes, if you start a simulated short field takeoff by wasting 100' of runway behind you before you start the roll, then you probably deserve a mark of 1 ("fail") for that exercise, regardless of how long the runway really is.
And yes, if you start a simulated short field takeoff by wasting 100' of runway behind you before you start the roll, then you probably deserve a mark of 1 ("fail") for that exercise, regardless of how long the runway really is.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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An examiner will not expressly confirm whether or not what you propose to do is correct/incorrect, rather they tend to make it pretty damn obvious if you just said something idiotic.
Consider the ground portion of the PPL flight test, which drags on and on, if you say something stupid, most examiners tend to say something along the lines of "really, are you sure?" - at which point you should shut your mouth and think about what you just said, and then correct yourself.
Consider the ground portion of the PPL flight test, which drags on and on, if you say something stupid, most examiners tend to say something along the lines of "really, are you sure?" - at which point you should shut your mouth and think about what you just said, and then correct yourself.
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They're nicer in your part of the world!7ECA wrote:An examiner will not expressly confirm whether or not what you propose to do is correct/incorrect, rather they tend to make it pretty damn obvious if you just said something idiotic.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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When I do checkrides on people, I try as much as possible to make it like a lab experiment: I shut up and let the person do the job. I don't offer advise or ask them "if they are sure" when something they do/say doesn't make sense. I will only intervene if the person is about to bust a clearance or compromise safety, at which point it is likely a fail.
I believe doing anything else is just doing a disservice to the individual but more importantly to the aviation community. That person is supposed to know/be able to fly on their own.
I believe doing anything else is just doing a disservice to the individual but more importantly to the aviation community. That person is supposed to know/be able to fly on their own.
Going for the deck at corner
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I was able to complete the partial flight test to the satisfactory of the examiner yesterday so all is right in my world again.
My instructor made a good point regarding the forced approach - while it might have been desirable to touchdown in the field with wings flaps T/O rather than landing given those conditions, the fact that the examiner wasn't convinced I would have been able to make the field with wing flaps landing implies that I was cutting it too close for comfort in terms of whether I'd be able to make the field. There are techniques to lose altitude if you have too much (e.g., slipping), but so far I don't think anyone has come up with a technique to reliably gain altitude with a failed engine.
Regarding maximizing available runway length, it does state in Short-Field Takeoff, point 5 https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... 32.htm#B.1:
5. check for traffic and taxi into position for maximum utilization of available take-off distance;
Leaving 100' of runway is in clear violation of that criteria. The fact that it doesn't sit right with some (I have received mixed reactions about the decision both on this forum and talking to people in person) I think stems from the fact the flight was not not in danger given the actual amount of runway length available, but that is moot as the performance criteria was not met.
My instructor made a good point regarding the forced approach - while it might have been desirable to touchdown in the field with wings flaps T/O rather than landing given those conditions, the fact that the examiner wasn't convinced I would have been able to make the field with wing flaps landing implies that I was cutting it too close for comfort in terms of whether I'd be able to make the field. There are techniques to lose altitude if you have too much (e.g., slipping), but so far I don't think anyone has come up with a technique to reliably gain altitude with a failed engine.
Regarding maximizing available runway length, it does state in Short-Field Takeoff, point 5 https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... 32.htm#B.1:
5. check for traffic and taxi into position for maximum utilization of available take-off distance;
Leaving 100' of runway is in clear violation of that criteria. The fact that it doesn't sit right with some (I have received mixed reactions about the decision both on this forum and talking to people in person) I think stems from the fact the flight was not not in danger given the actual amount of runway length available, but that is moot as the performance criteria was not met.
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AWESOME.... look at it this way, you probably have another .5 hours in your log for that "re-do"! Congratz!!!