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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#26 Post by Vern » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:05 pm

I just wrote SAMRA again because the exams expired on me.

Two questions about computerized flight plans - amount of fuel remaining at destination and headwind/tailwind. You just had to decode the flightplan.
Two about critical point - which way it moves with wind etc
Lightning detection - limitations etc.
Where the CAT is at a jetstream
Dimensions of a low level airway
Wind - angle to the isobars at altitude and the surface
What effect temperature has on a constant descent angle using GPS
Eye to wheel height
PAPI's - what side of the runway they are usually on, does an instrument runway still have them, do they take into account eye to wheel height
What kind of cloud does drizzle come from
Slant range with fog over touchdown zone
Using GPS approach at alternate - do you need a traditional approach available
Know how to read pressure levels on charts
LWIS - what info it provides
VOR intercept headings
Checking two VOR's against each other - 4 degrees air and ground

Thats all I can remember. The rest was just decoding TAF, METAR, PIREP, AIRMET, etc. Know what every single symbol on the GFA and prognostic charts mean.

It's not that hard really. I just used the Aerocourse question book and their weather book. The weather book came out a year or two ago and it's a lot more concise than the Air Command book.
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#27 Post by Goose_ » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:49 pm

Thanks for the feedback .... did you write the SARON yet ? wondering if you had any feed back for that aswell
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#28 Post by AuxBatOn » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:03 pm

Wrote the SAMRA and SARON recently. Used the Aerocourse study book (questions) and the INRAT study app by Dauntless. Spent 2 weeks studying 2-3 hrs a night couple of times a week. I studied the questions from th Aerocourse book and did the simulated exams on the INRAT app. I also made an aide-memoire of all the regulations I had a hard time memorizing (crew duty day, rest, fuel requirements for all types of flight, MEL, etc) that I crammed the day of. I had 85 and 87.5 and they took about 1h each. One question that took me by surprise on the SAMRA had to do with Multilateration. There were also 2 computerized flight plan questions but they were pretty straight forward. Focus was Met on the SAMRA (which was fairly straight forward) with a lot of GNSS questions (RAIM) in the nav portion.

I also made an excel Macro that has all the Aerocourse answers loaded in it (I did not put the actual words of the questions in for copyright reasons) to speed my studying up. After a section, you hit "grade" and it gives you how well you did and tells you which questions you got wrong.
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#29 Post by CanadianPilotQc » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:00 am

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#30 Post by C-FDPB » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:40 am

What is the fee to write each ?
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#31 Post by AuxBatOn » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:24 am

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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#32 Post by ascend » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:45 am

Hi All,

I am using both the 2018 M.C ATPL books are finding some mistakes. Not sure if I should continue with them or look at other options. Kinda upsetting since these books are by far the most expensive compared to the others. Also finding questions and theory in here that I've never soon before (IATRA passed) so not sure how relative the info is.

Just wondering what other people who are using these books think of them? Were you successful in passing the ATPL's

Also, how come no one uses his full name in the forums?

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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#33 Post by 455tt » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:14 pm

Why not ask them directly - maybe there are some new subjects coming up on the ATPL tests that were not on the IATRA and/or they could provide a list of any known corrections or updates or clarify something you have encountered.

http://www.acceleratedaviation.com
info@acceleratedaviation.com
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#34 Post by sagabwoy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:13 pm

Hello all, currently studying for the SARON.

Any help on the calculation to get to the answer of 400 ft/min would be greatly appreciated.

Question reads: The pilot of a small turbojet aircraft is cruising at FL330 wishes to descend and land at an airport that is 2,000ft ASL. The cabin altitude is 7,000 ft ASL. If the jet descend at 2,500 ft/min what rate of descent should the pilot s et on the cabin rate selector to affect a cabin differential pressure of zero on landing?

Tried googling a number of different options but came up empty.

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#35 Post by Loner » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:23 pm

(5/31)*2500=403
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#36 Post by sagabwoy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:30 pm

Thank you! Much appreciated.
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#37 Post by Anon1234 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:12 pm

sagabwoy wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:13 pm
Hello all, currently studying for the SARON.

Any help on the calculation to get to the answer of 400 ft/min would be greatly appreciated.

Question reads: The pilot of a small turbojet aircraft is cruising at FL330 wishes to descend and land at an airport that is 2,000ft ASL. The cabin altitude is 7,000 ft ASL. If the jet descend at 2,500 ft/min what rate of descent should the pilot s et on the cabin rate selector to affect a cabin differential pressure of zero on landing?

Tried googling a number of different options but came up empty.

Thank you
Cheers to Loner for getting the right answer. Figure I'd offer a bit of an explanation.

- Descending from cruise at 33,000 to an airport at 2,000 means you have 31,000 feet to lose.
- If you're descending at 2,500 ft/m it will take you 12.4 minutes to reach the ground.
- During those 12.4 minutes the cabin has to go from 7,000 ft to 2,000 ft a 5,000 ft change.
- So, 5,000 / 12.4 = 403 ft/m.
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#38 Post by sagabwoy » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:27 pm

Thank you Anon1234!
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#39 Post by sagabwoy » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:29 pm

Has anyone written the SARON recently? Planning to write it Friday. Any tips?
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#40 Post by sagabwoy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:40 pm

Hello all, currently studying for the SARON.

Any help on the formula to calculate the below question would be greatly appreciated. Ans - 20 min (ATPL aerocourse q. 95 in Flight Ops section)

question reads: the following wind report relates to a westbound flight of a small business jet aircraft: 274045
how long would it take this aircraft to cover a distance of 150 nm if it cruised at 0.83 mach.

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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#41 Post by Loner » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:06 pm

sagabwoy wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:40 pm
Hello all, currently studying for the SARON.

Any help on the formula to calculate the below question would be greatly appreciated. Ans - 20 min (ATPL aerocourse q. 95 in Flight Ops section)

question reads: the following wind report relates to a westbound flight of a small business jet aircraft: 274045
how long would it take this aircraft to cover a distance of 150 nm if it cruised at 0.83 mach.

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Use your E6B
Mach .83
OAT -45
TAS 488.5
TAT -13.57
Then your wind is from the west at 40
Your jet is traveling westbound
GS is 488.5 - 40
GS 448.5
Distance 150
Time: 60/(448.5/150)= 20 minutes
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#42 Post by sagabwoy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:06 am

Hi Loner

Thanks alot for your detailed answer. I don't use the E6B as I never got any good at it. I'm using a CX2 any thoughts on how to use that to solve this q? Your help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#43 Post by sagabwoy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:17 am

Any help with this question as well is appreciated.

I am stuck on this part of the formula to find clearance above a ride (i know its the true alt formula) however - Difference between ICAO and actual temp? I know standard temp is 15 however how do they get an answer of 42 when finding the difference between Indicated OAT -40 and ISA temp. ?

how exactly do i calculate this difference with accuracy? my particular question is:

ground elevation of airport: 3000 ft
altimeter setting: 30.43
indicated OAT at 6,500 ft: -40C
indiated alt: 6,500 ft
height of ridge: 5,850 ft
ans: 62 feet

any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#44 Post by Loner » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:21 pm

sagabwoy wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:06 am
Hi Loner

Thanks alot for your detailed answer. I don't use the E6B as I never got any good at it. I'm using a CX2 any thoughts on how to use that to solve this q? Your help is greatly appreciated.

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Let’s start with the FD 274045
This is the format above 24,000’
Wind 270 @ 40 temp -45
With your CX2
Flight-airspeed-plan Mach#-
Enter Mach.83
OAT -45
That will give you the answers
For the GS The answer is in the question (Westbound)
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#45 Post by sagabwoy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:46 pm

Loner thank you so much for taking the time to explain these questions to me, i really appreciate it. I mis interpreted the winds as 274 not 240 g40 temp -45
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#46 Post by Loner » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:38 pm

sagabwoy wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:46 pm
Loner thank you so much for taking the time to explain these questions to me, i really appreciate it. I mis interpreted the winds as 274 not 240 g40 temp -45
Wind is 270 @ 40
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#47 Post by 455tt » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:52 pm

sagabwoy wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:17 am
Any help with this question as well is appreciated.

I am stuck on this part of the formula to find clearance above a ride (i know its the true alt formula) however - Difference between ICAO and actual temp? I know standard temp is 15 however how do they get an answer of 42 when finding the difference between Indicated OAT -40 and ISA temp. ?

how exactly do i calculate this difference with accuracy? my particular question is:

ground elevation of airport: 3000 ft
altimeter setting: 30.43
indicated OAT at 6,500 ft: -40C
indiated alt: 6,500 ft
height of ridge: 5,850 ft
ans: 62 feet

any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Sagabwoy! I Saw this same question in another thread and answered it with a little help from Ahrahim but the calculations there were a little messy so I thought I might as well answer it here just in case you have not seen the other thread.

First you calculate ISA temp for 6,500 feet. If it is 15*C ISA at MSL, then you go down 2°C/1,000 feet gain in height = 6.5 X 2 = 13 colder than 15 = +2.

Then you calculate temperature difference between indicated OAT and ISA for 6,500 feet which is -40 to +2 = 42° C.

Then you multiply air column in thousands of feet (3.5) X 42 X 4 feet = 588. This is the true altitude error.

Then you deduct the true altitude error from indicated = 6,500 - 588 = 5,912 which is your true altitude.

Then you calculate the clearance which is 5,912 - 5,850 = 62 feet.

Your example comes from MC's ATPL book where this calculation is explained in detail. The true altitude formula and theory behind it can also be found in the Air Command weather manual.

Let us know if you still find this difficult.
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#48 Post by goose_68 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:05 pm

Was wondering if anyone has used Nizus for ATPL study and wrote the exams ? ..... Just wanting to get some feed back to see if its worth purchasing and how well it prepares for the exams .
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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#49 Post by what_limit? » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:25 am

Hey everyone!

Planning on writing the exams next week. I have . 2017 ATPL and a very recent, if not current, Aerocourse manual and test book, which I borrowed from a friend. Haven't taken the course though.

Anyway, I'm kind of having a hard time focusing on what to study and how to study, if that makes sense.

Just looking for tips and tricks on studying and if anyone has written recently; what was on the exams.

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Re: ATPL SARON / SAMRA exam feedback thread

#50 Post by sagabwoy » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:51 pm

Perfect detailed explanation that I was looking for! thank you!
very much appreciated.

455tt wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:52 pm
sagabwoy wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:17 am
Any help with this question as well is appreciated.

I am stuck on this part of the formula to find clearance above a ride (i know its the true alt formula) however - Difference between ICAO and actual temp? I know standard temp is 15 however how do they get an answer of 42 when finding the difference between Indicated OAT -40 and ISA temp. ?

how exactly do i calculate this difference with accuracy? my particular question is:

ground elevation of airport: 3000 ft
altimeter setting: 30.43
indicated OAT at 6,500 ft: -40C
indiated alt: 6,500 ft
height of ridge: 5,850 ft
ans: 62 feet

any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Sagabwoy! I Saw this same question in another thread and answered it with a little help from Ahrahim but the calculations there were a little messy so I thought I might as well answer it here just in case you have not seen the other thread.

First you calculate ISA temp for 6,500 feet. If it is 15*C ISA at MSL, then you go down 2°C/1,000 feet gain in height = 6.5 X 2 = 13 colder than 15 = +2.

Then you calculate temperature difference between indicated OAT and ISA for 6,500 feet which is -40 to +2 = 42° C.

Then you multiply air column in thousands of feet (3.5) X 42 X 4 feet = 588. This is the true altitude error.

Then you deduct the true altitude error from indicated = 6,500 - 588 = 5,912 which is your true altitude.

Then you calculate the clearance which is 5,912 - 5,850 = 62 feet.

Your example comes from MC's ATPL book where this calculation is explained in detail. The true altitude formula and theory behind it can also be found in the Air Command weather manual.

Let us know if you still find this difficult.
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