A320 Type Rating- Looking for Training Partner

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A320 Type Rating- Looking for Training Partner

#1 Post by delay256 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:52 am

I have decided to complete a self sponsored A320 Type Rating with CAE in Toronto for a potential job in the Middle East. I am looking for a training partner to complete the course within the next few months.

Please let me know if there are any takers?
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Re: A320 Type Rating- Looking for Training Partner

#2 Post by KK7 » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:43 pm

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Re: A320 Type Rating- Looking for Training Partner

#3 Post by goodpilot » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:39 pm

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Re: A320 Type Rating- Looking for Training Partner

#4 Post by fingersmac » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:47 pm

delay256 wrote:I have decided to complete a self sponsored A320 Type Rating with CAE in Toronto for a potential job in the Middle East. I am looking for a training partner to complete the course within the next few months.
Pretty expensive gamble.
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#5 Post by straightpilot » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:50 pm

Hey, pilots get married every day.

At least this guy is guaranteed to have something to show for his gamble, regardless of how the job works out - a type rating on his ATPL!
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#6 Post by fingersmac » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:20 pm

I highly suspect this person does not have an ATPL.

Most likely a CPL, 250hrs and a case of SJS.
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#7 Post by delay256 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:09 pm

@fingersmac

I have 1100 Hours and a frozen ATPL.

This isn't a debate about the advantages/disadvantages of paying for type ratings. I have spoken to several airlines and they have indicated that this is the right way forward.

I am just looking for a training partner to reduce training costs.
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#8 Post by cdnpilot77 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:20 pm

Of course they say that, then they dont have to pay for it, it waters down the competition for jobs and allows them to make low ball offers because you just dropped 30k+ on a rating and are now desperate for a job before it expires....just out of curiosity, did any of them actually say "get a TR and you will have a job with us"? Why wouldnt they tell you this is the way forward? Good riddance man...keep that mentality on the other side of the pond, dont bring it here!
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#9 Post by fingersmac » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:27 pm

Are you that naive? Of course airlines say it's the "right" way forward; you're paying for training that should be provided by the company potentially hiring you!
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#10 Post by altiplano » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:37 pm

"frozen ATPL" - keep telling yourself that.
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#11 Post by delay256 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:42 pm

Seriously What is wrong with you people?

I just posted this to find a training partner.
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#12 Post by delay256 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:47 pm

An MBA costs $45,000 to $60,000 easy which eventually leads to higher salaries and better positions in the corporate world. How is this any different?

I dont know if all of this pays off and I do realize these are hard times for all of us but I have made my decision.

@altiplano - Fine! I have completed the SARON and SAMRA and have written the ATPL exams back in the Middle East. (Call it whatever you want to call it)

Again guys, I am just here to look for a sim partner.
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#13 Post by KK7 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:09 pm

Have you asked yourself why you're expected to pay for type specific training for these companies you talked to, while everywhere else the company pays to train their employees after they've been hired? A type rating is not an MBA, it isn't as useful and versatile, and an MBA doesn't cost as much as an A320 type rating.
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#14 Post by iflyforpie » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:00 am

The general rule about paying for your training is, you should not expected to pay for training specific to the job you are trying to get that isn't applicable at any other job.

An instrument rating, an ATPL, an MBA, they are all widely transferable and are basic qualifications for a job. An A320 rating is not, it is job specific. Please do us and yourself a favour and don't try to get ahead by selling yourself out.

It is much more satisfying to have somebody else put you on a course, even if it is years later. It says you are worth something.
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#15 Post by delay256 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:53 am

I see it as an investment in my future, a chance to move ahead. Many jobs today require you to have job specific training courses completed before you join I dont see how aviation is any different.

@iflyforpie Im pretty sure you would do the same if you were in my shoes. I made near nothing as a flight instructor and dont see any positive outlook on the job front here in Canada which has led me to try back home.
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#16 Post by iflyforpie » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:08 am

delay256 wrote: @iflyforpie Im pretty sure you would do the same if you were in my shoes. I made near nothing as a flight instructor and dont see any positive outlook on the job front here in Canada which has led me to try back home.
I would not even if the job was guaranteed, secure, and well-paying, which from the sounds of it is none of those. Ask some ex-Jetsgo guys about how paying for their training turned out.

I have managed to make a living in aviation without shelling out money for company specific training. I have purposefully avoided any companies that wanted money or bonds for training and I believe it has payed dividends not only in money saved, but in quality of life, safety, and self-respect. There were times when I wondered if I had missed the boat on a better career, but any regrets soon vanished when watching the aftermath of others' decisions to go those routes.

If nobody was willing to pay for training, the companies would have to. But it seems that there is always somebody who has several grand to throw away (how did you get that making 'near nothing?') to 'buy' themselves a job. A320, PA31, or C182 jumper course, it is all the same.

Once the company realizes that you will pay for training, what else are they going to make you pay for, and how well do you think they will pay?
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#17 Post by photofly » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:38 am

In what way is a type-rating company specific? Lots of airlines fly A320s, don't they?

Why is a type rating any different from a multi- rating?
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#18 Post by Shiny Side Up » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:14 pm

photofly wrote:In what way is a type-rating company specific? Lots of airlines fly A320s, don't they?

Why is a type rating any different from a multi- rating?
A lot more companies have multi engine aircraft than have A320s. That and it wouldn't be out of the question for an individual to benefit privately from having a multi rating, relatively rare, but within the realm of probability. Few individuals could use an A320 type rating privately, and definitely no one who works as a pilot.
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#19 Post by photofly » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:27 pm

If there is a difference it would seem to be one of (slight) degree, rather than black and white. You could make the same argument that an airline should pay not only for your type rating but also your multi-, IFR, CPL, and probably PPL too. Regardless of what some pilots might use it for, to the person who's interested in an airline job even a basic PPL is just as useless (or useful) as a type rating, they're both just bits of paper that get you employed.
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#20 Post by Shiny Side Up » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:51 pm

If there is a difference it would seem to be one of (slight) degree, rather than black and white.
Hardly a slight degree. For example, I make regular use of my pilot skillz outside of working as a pilot, which so far has included the use of my seaplane, multi and instrument ratings. I can think of no means of using an A320 rating to do that outside of the possibility of maybe aquiring the means of say John Travolta.
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#21 Post by shitdisturber » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:22 pm

Shiny Side Up wrote:
If there is a difference it would seem to be one of (slight) degree, rather than black and white.
Hardly a slight degree. For example, I make regular use of my pilot skillz outside of working as a pilot, which so far has included the use of my seaplane, multi and instrument ratings. I can think of no means of using an A320 rating to do that outside of the possibility of maybe aquiring the means of say John Travolta.
Thanks a bunch! Now I'm going to have a mental picture of you in a white suit all day long and the clients are going to wonder why I keep breaking into uncontrollable giggling fits! :smt040
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#22 Post by straightpilot » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:40 pm

It's too bad that there is only one operator of the A320 in the entire world.
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#23 Post by Beefitarian » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:42 pm

That place in Toronto that does type checks?
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#24 Post by delay256 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:41 pm

@iflyforpie

How did I get the money to pay for it? - That is none of your concern.

What ever decisions you have made in your career have worked out well, good for you! Now let me be, taking this decision to move back to the middle east and do the rating was not an easy one. Sure its a gamble but what is the alternative? I have nearly 1200 hours and I have applied to over a 100 job postings but NO PHONECALLS, NO INTERVIEWS, NOTHING!

So forgive me if I take a chance with my career.
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#25 Post by Big Pistons Forever » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:04 pm

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