Best place for multi IFR training??

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Best place for multi IFR training??

#1 Post by PittsPilot » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:56 am

Hello

I am currently a free lance commercial pilot student, which I am almost finished, so I am looking at moving onto the next step in my training aka a multi and IFR rating. I am located in southern Ontario ( about 45 min north of Toronto) and in search of what is the best options to complete this training. Anyone's opinion and experiences are appreciated.

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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#2 Post by dodgeram2500 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:00 am

When I got my CPL from Confed 10+ years ago, everyone seemed to go to Cornwall for MIFR. http://www.cornwallaviation.com/
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#3 Post by shamrock104 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 am

I would avoid Cornwall, PM me
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#4 Post by CpnCrunch » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:26 am

shamrock104 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 am
I would avoid Cornwall, PM me
Perhaps it's you and not Cornwall?
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#5 Post by flyingcanuck » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 am

Cornwall will have you in and out 2-3 weeks depending on weather.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#6 Post by shamrock104 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:20 pm

Dont be such a bitch Cpn Crunch lol, maybe it is me, time to see my therapist.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#7 Post by CpnCrunch » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:29 pm

shamrock104 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:20 pm
Dont be such a bitch Cpn Crunch lol, maybe it is me, time to see my therapist.
You're the one who screwed me when I tried to do my night rating with you, and I hear that you have a habit of renting FTU planes to do freelance instruction.

So yes, when you come on here complaining about an FTU that has a good reputation I'll automatically assume that it might be your problem rather than the FTU.

Did you ever become a legit flight instructor?
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#8 Post by shamrock104 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:32 pm

Cpn Crunch, take it easy there little guy. Maybe got out the wrong side of the bed this morning, did we??????
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#9 Post by Oxi » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:44 pm

CpnCrunch wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:26 am
shamrock104 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 am
I would avoid Cornwall, PM me
Perhaps it's you and not Cornwall?
Would have to agree
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#10 Post by Anon1234 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:50 pm

Wow! Well this thread got dramatic real fast. I know some people who have gone through Cornwall and if you want to get the ratings done quick and economically. It's a good place. A bunch of my friends finished in less than a week and for less than $4K. From some stories it sounds like they just train you to pass the flight test they know you'll get. Ie: These 2 exact approaches cause that's all they ever ask. (all places do that to some extent though since it's so expensive per hr).
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#11 Post by Bravomike33 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:11 pm

Hello,

Cornwall Aviation for your ME IFR

Come with your Inrat Done will be better.

Follow the Syllyabus
Study Everyday and Ask to pratice some cross country planning
Stay with some good classmates as a target. ( group of 3/5 is was good for me )

3 PA44, the maintenance is well done and quick
2 red birds

I did my ME IFR during the Christmas hollyday and the extrem cold. Good experience.
That it!
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#12 Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:32 am

Is the quality of the training good, or is it just a puppy mill? Do they still teach NDBs, procedure turns, etc.

I have no idea myself, but the answers are important.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#13 Post by AppleOTP » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:45 am

Did my renewal at cornwall in the redbird. They're all good people, but if you go with a "holier than thou" attitude, they'll pick up on it real quick.

I know 3 porter captains, and two jazz FOs that went there for renewals before they got on at 705s.

The school wouldn't still be in business if they didn't know what they were doing, and Glenn is on staff examiner, no trying to book weeks in advance just to get weathered out.

Nowherefast - to answer your question, I THINK I did an ndb approach back when I got my initial (...~8 years ago?) but they've gone to ILS / RNAV style. Also, it should be noted no more 'step down', it's all constant descent.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#14 Post by digits_ » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:06 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:32 am
Is the quality of the training good, or is it just a puppy mill? Do they still teach NDBs, procedure turns, etc.

I have no idea myself, but the answers are important.
Based on rumours: no. Even NDB interceptions are getting rare these days. Not just at Cornwall by the way, other places as well.

Must be interesting to see the medevac captains fly ndb approaches when the gps craps out up north...
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#15 Post by OneYonge » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:35 pm

At cornwall, if you already have a Group 3 IFR rating, you could upgrade to Group 1 MIFR in less than a week..

However, if you don't have any ratings yet...they will not offer the option of getting a Group 3 on a single engine first...then converting to multi....because that would screw up the training and actually cost you more.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#16 Post by TeePeeCreeper » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:06 pm

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Based on rumours: no. Even NDB interceptions are getting rare these days. Not just at Cornwall by the way, other places as well.

Must be interesting to see the medevac captains fly ndb approaches when the gps craps out up north...
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Really? It’s a non event as it should be.

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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#17 Post by Zaibatsu » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:13 pm

Yeah, really. We're not breaking out at 200 and 1/2 on an NDB. At least not us, anyways.

If I taught 'real world' IFR the way it is in the real world most would be pretty disappointed. I think I got 1.7 actual this last month and maybe 4 approaches in 14 days of flying.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#18 Post by digits_ » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:36 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:06 pm


Really? It’s a non event as it should be.
It is a non event, if you've done it before. If you are used to flying everytying with a GPS overlay or ILS, and then your GPS craps out and you only have an NDB approach available, I'm pretty sure it will be a memorable event. You can divert to a place with an ILS of course, but if you are going to fly the NDB approach, I'd highly recommend you do it at least once before you need it.

To stay within all the limits while tracking an NDB bearing for the first time in your life: interesting.

I've flown with an FO who didn't know how to fly towards an NDB without the GPS. Let alone fly an NDB approach. He had the hours to be a medevac captain if he wanted to. That's scary.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#19 Post by TeePeeCreeper » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:34 pm

digits_ wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:36 pm
TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:06 pm


Really? It’s a non event as it should be.
It is a non event, if you've done it before. If you are used to flying everytying with a GPS overlay or ILS, and then your GPS craps out and you only have an NDB approach available, I'm pretty sure it will be a memorable event. You can divert to a place with an ILS of course, but if you are going to fly the NDB approach, I'd highly recommend you do it at least once before you need it.

To stay within all the limits while tracking an NDB bearing for the first time in your life: interesting.

I've flown with an FO who didn't know how to fly towards an NDB without the GPS. Let alone fly an NDB approach. He had the hours to be a medevac captain if he wanted to. That's scary.
Agreed.

Me thinks that until all NDB’s are decommissioned that flying an NDB approach on “raw data” should be taught and that one’s first “encounter” with one be with an instructor or training Captain during initial hire...

All the best,
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#20 Post by youhavecontrol » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:05 pm

A close friend of mine told me about his recent experience flying as a medevac FO in Ontario last year. He mentioned that one time they had to do a full procedure NDB approach and the captain was like, "Gee I haven't done one of these in a long time. You want to give it a shot?" ..he was pretty surprised to hear that.

I make it a point to give my students a lot of practice with Full Procedure NDB approaches and the Dreaded DME ARC using the CDFA without the use of the GPS as a reference, plus tracking and holding with an NDB in strong winds both in the aircraft and in the simulator. As I like to say to my students, "If you know how to do the hard thing, you can definitely do the easy thing."

I'm not in Ontario though, so I have no idea what school to recommend, sorry!
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#21 Post by flyingjerry » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm

Did my multi and the ifr at cornwall in 18 days with 6 no fly days.

It's fast and hard, but definitely doable.

The one thing is I had to insist on learning was how to do approaches (NDB, Arcs, VOR) without GPS. Otherwise they will only show you Rnavv's and ILS.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#22 Post by Icepyropilot » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:47 am

:smt014 :smt014 Cornwall is a Great school to do your multi IFR just remember you will be there for a few weeks to a month based on weather. If you do stay there, there is a lovely retired couple who hosts students at their house for a unbelievable low price daily and the best part is that they are 3 homecooked meals daily! I stayed there a month and Chuck & Sue became my family away from home. You get a great room with a desk in a beautiful country farm home with 2 wonderful people who just happen to love to cook. You can walk to the airport from their house and they will also help you arrange transportation to & from their home. The last thing you want to worry about when your studying is cooking and buying your food. This is your all inclusive near Cornwall Aviation. You can message me for more info or call Chuck & Sue directly at ‭(613) 330-1314‬. You can thank me latter!
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#23 Post by maturepilot83 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:40 pm

Looking for information on Cornwall if someone can shoot me a PM.

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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#24 Post by mimister » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:14 am

At Cornwall you will be loading up the flight plan in the GPS for half hour on the ground while 2 engines are running @ $400 per hour and the instructor who doesn't give a shit about you or your money is looking out the window and/or texting.
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Re: Best place for multi IFR training??

#25 Post by youhavecontrol » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:08 am

mimister wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:14 am
At Cornwall you will be loading up the flight plan in the GPS for half hour on the ground while 2 engines are running @ $400 per hour and the instructor who doesn't give a shit about you or your money is looking out the window and/or texting.
Practice with the Garmin online simulators so it doesn't take half an hour, haha
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