Confed drops IFR

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Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:06 am

Good news, I got into confed. Bad news, they aren't offering cat 3 IFR for the 2019 class.

I know how most of you love hating Sault, but they offer multi IFR. Not sure what to do know. Does anyone know how far behind Sault is at the moment?

Let me know what you think.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by cloudskimmer » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:32 pm

Just go to Cornwall or some where that does Group 1 Multi IFRs and get it done. Sure it'll cost you a couple grand but you save money from not having to pay for another year of tuition plus other costs and you'll get out into the work force a year sooner earning an income.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:46 pm

How much would that cost? Now I'd need to do all the IFR time 40 hours + multi
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by FL_CH » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:52 pm

I heard that they will offer ground school + maybe some flight time, and then there was going to be a deal to get finish it off at a partner school somewhere. You might wanna ask your contact at Confed.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:14 pm

FL_CH wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:52 pm
I heard that they will offer ground school + maybe some flight time, and then there was going to be a deal to get finish it off at a partner school somewhere. You might wanna ask your contact at Confed.
Any idea why they dropped it?
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by FL_CH » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:49 pm

No idea, maybe they figured why bother, all of our students go for MIFR anyway. I really don't know, their airplanes are pretty well equipped, some with G1000, many with GNS650s...
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by trey kule » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:19 pm

How much would that cost? Now I'd need to do all the IFR time 40 hours + multi


Really? I am fairly confident that is not the case.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:27 pm

FL_CH wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:49 pm
No idea, maybe they figured why bother, all of our students go for MIFR anyway. I really don't know, their airplanes are pretty well equipped, some with G1000, many with GNS650s...
Don't you need single IFR for the upgrade to multi? You need single first, no?
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by 200hr Wonder » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:32 pm

No you need a Multi Engine Raiting, and then can do a Multi IFR flight test. Essentially adding IFR to aircraft you already can fly VFR. Think of IFR as a skill set you add to aircraft you can fly already.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:47 pm

What would it cost to do IFR seperatly?
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:00 pm

FL_CH wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:49 pm
No idea, maybe they figured why bother, all of our students go for MIFR anyway. I really don't know, their airplanes are pretty well equipped, some with G1000, many with GNS650s...
Doesn't it cost more to go from no IFR to multi IFR vs. single IFR to multi IFR?
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by trey kule » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:35 pm

Good grief guys.
Spend some time reading regulations.

You do not need a group 3 before the multi. IFR
You do not need a multi rating before you do the multi ifr. You do need to take two rides though, last I heard. But you can do the training concurrently..
you can take credit for IF training previously done on CZpL/ night/ and or PPL

Sim training,plus about 15 hours on the aircraft including two rides for multi and multi IFR.

Take sometime to actually read the regs. My info is not current, and it takes zero competency or knowledge to post. There just might be an FTU wanting to interpret the regs a bit different to ...ah....well you know.....
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:42 pm

I wouldn't expect a pre-ppl person to be able to navigate the CARs and understand what they're reading
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by trey kule » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:47 pm

200 hour wonder is not a ppl person.
And the OP is discussing regulations regarding the IF rating. He is worried they are dropping it from their curriculum. Maybe its time to learn what the CARs have to say...

And I am fairly certainhe was getting some incorrect advice.

I forget sometimes. This is the age of the spoon fed, social net work answer seeking generation.

No need to read.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:49 pm

I was referring to the OP, Luke Spectre. I assume that he is a candidate with limited prior aviation knowledge/experience applying to both Sault and Confed.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:05 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:49 pm
I was referring to the OP, Luke Spectre. I assume that he is a candidate with limited prior aviation knowledge/experience applying to both Sault and Confed.
You assume correct.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by altiplano » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:30 pm

Group 3 IFR is basically useless if you're looking to get a job in IFR operations.

99.9% of the IFR jobs are in twins... or they have a Caravan and a Navajo so you better come prepared with a multi rating.

You can do your multi and multi IFR training concurrently, but the multi engine endorsement is a separate ride before the MIFR ride IIRC. Remember a group 1 gives you an IFR on all aeroplanes, you don't need the other groups...

Anyway, I don't know about the colleges and what they're offering, but I wouldn't go to a school that wasn't preparing me to get a job in the field... let alone spend a few years doing classes and missing the opportunities now...
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Luke Spectre » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:58 am

altiplano wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:30 pm
Group 3 IFR is basically useless if you're looking to get a job in IFR operations.

Remember a group 1 gives you an IFR on all aeroplanes, you don't need the other groups...
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. But the multi check has no flight time requirements, if you have cat 3 and you get multi check do you now have cat 1? Or do you need to start the IFR over?
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by Tips Up » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:42 am

Luke Spectre wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:58 am
altiplano wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:30 pm
Group 3 IFR is basically useless if you're looking to get a job in IFR operations.

Remember a group 1 gives you an IFR on all aeroplanes, you don't need the other groups...
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. But the multi check has no flight time requirements, if you have cat 3 and you get multi check do you now have cat 1? Or do you need to start the IFR over?
Depending on your situation, if you look at the costs of getting your IFR rating on a single to acquire a group 3 and then do a multi rating with a multi flight test as well as a subsequent flight test for your group 1, you MAY save a few dollars. But you probably would be safer and get better experience doing your multi rating, flight test and then finish off the group 1 in the multi.

If you have a group 3 and want to move up to a group 1, you don’t get it just from a multi checkout. Two separate flight tests.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by altiplano » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:57 am

Luke Spectre wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:58 am
altiplano wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:30 pm
Group 3 IFR is basically useless if you're looking to get a job in IFR operations.

Remember a group 1 gives you an IFR on all aeroplanes, you don't need the other groups...
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. But the multi check has no flight time requirements, if you have cat 3 and you get multi check do you now have cat 1? Or do you need to start the IFR over?
It's another ride for the group 1 on top of your multi ride.

Doing a multi ride may not have any flight time requirements, but you aren't going to pass a multi ride without some training. Nor are you going to pass a group 1 ride without some training, no matter if you have a group 3. Might as well do it together, seems to me that's the way everyone did it...
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by flyingcanuck » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:10 pm

So no more floats, no multi and no more IR.. why even go there anymore
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by NotDirty! » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:00 pm

flyingcanuck wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:10 pm
So no more floats, no multi and no more IR.. why even go there anymore
It is still the least expensive way to get a CPL in the country! Even adding the cost of doing your Multi/IFR at YCC, it is still cheaper than another year of tuition and living expenses at Sault College, and you are going to be in the job market a year sooner than your contemporaries who go to the Sault.

WRT the OP’s questions about needing 40 hours in a twin to get a group 1 IFR, that is incorrect. You need 40 hours of instrument flight time (simulated (ie wearing a view limiting device) or actual, in cloud time), some of which can be in a flight simulator. The bare CPL requires 20 hours of instrument time, so even if they only just give you the bare minimum (I am fairly certain you get considerably more), you are half way to the IFR rating requirement.

Theoretically you can get a group 1 IFR having done no IFR training in a twin, just the flight test... this is not a good idea.
In my case, I only did about 5 hours of IFR time in a twin before my flight test, but I had done a lot of practice in the sim, and I had about 1000 hours total time when I got around to doing it. You may feel that you need more time in the twin to be ready for the flight test, but even 20 hours is probably excessive.
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by sstaurus » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:53 pm

I assume they are having trouble holding on to instructors like most places around the country, and they have to prioritize. Really, they are going back to how they did it before (minus the floats, which is the real sad part). Just ask to do as much hood and sim time as you can throughout your time there, and you'll have nearly everything you need to go to Cornwall for one week when you're done at Confed and do them both (IFR and multi).
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by flyingjerry » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:46 pm

Honestly the answers to your questions are very easily googled. Between google and calling an independent school, you will find everything you need to know. I second Cornwall, as another said. Took me less than 20 days for multi and multi IFR
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Re: Confed drops IFR

Post by rudder » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:51 am

Dean of Aviation Program at Con got sacked. Lots of poor decisions and execution over the last couple of years related to the Con flying program.

Hope they can get it back on track. Dropping the IFR is not a good start.
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