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Post by GottaFly » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:22 am

This whole signatures thing, and taking photos of your trip is all a load of crap as far as i'm concerned. Your personal Log Book is your legal document and all the times in it are backed up by the Journey Log of the aircraft you flew. Furthermore, your PTR is your other official proof that you actually flew the trip. And that is signed by your Instructor. Besides, whats the big deal, even if transport does challenge you on it, the fact of the matter is, if you are honest and actually did the trip, you'll have no trouble. TC just needs to test the integrity in the industry once in a while, and if you're the one they pick for their test, as long as you are honest, there will be no trouble for you.
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Post by Hedley » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:58 am

I'm not sure anybody cares about the facts, but almost everybody these days has their licence signed off by a private sector "Authorized Person" (often, but not always the FTU CFI). Transport won't even see your logbook - only the form that the Authorized Person fills out, detailing your experience.

So, it's the Authorized Person you have to convince, not Transport.

Why not just ask your school's Authorized Person? This really all seems like a tempest in a teapot ... I get the feeling that people will soon be carrying along camcorders and recording their entire cross countries :roll:
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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:01 am

they took my logbook for almost 2 months when i got my commercial a couple of months ago
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Post by Hedley » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:42 am

Who is "they"?
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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:29 pm

Transport Canada
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Post by Cat Driver » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:34 pm

the matter is, if you are honest and actually did the trip, you'll have no trouble. TC just needs to test the integrity in the industry once in a while, and if you're the one they pick for their test, as long as you are honest, there will be no trouble for you
Is that how they find the dishonest ones in their employ?
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Post by GottaFly » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:08 pm

Cat... would you mind telling me your past experience with TC...? Anytime i seem to defend our industries integrity, you come back with a remark such as that. No i don't work for TC, but it keeps some pretty sketchy characters from flying which i think is a very good thing. As far as integrity within their organization, there is about as much integrity there as with the RCMP or any other Federal government for that matter...... Integrity is not a good word do describe their organization, but it's good word to describe what our industry needs... They may not do the best job of it, or we all may disagree with their ways, but it keeps the people who shouldn't be involved away.
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Post by TC Guy » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:32 am

Integrity in an interesting thing.

I believe it is one that is built on a history and reputation of fair dealings. No one person represents an entity, should that be a company or governmental department.

In my limited travels, I am cautious of what others have told me (although I do keep it in mind), and make my own decisions based upon what I personally observe.

I do my job to the best of my ability... with integrity (at least, my definition). I sleep well.

To answer the question at hand... no pictures are needed, nor are signatures as to where you have been. Log the cross-country properly (in the PTR and Personal Log Book), and make sure the entries meet the requirements for the CPL (see links at the end of the post).

TC *MAY* request additonal information if something looks incomplete or incorrect. That is our mandate. Journey logbooks or Dispatch sheets would give the additional proof *IF* required.

Logbook requirements link:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#401_08

CPL cross-country requirements link: (scroll down to 421.31(4)(b)(i))
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#421_30

Hope this helps!

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Post by TC Guy » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:37 am

Hedley wrote:So, it's the Authorized Person you have to convince, not Transport.
Not entirely correct, Hedley.

The authorized person gives temporary privileges. A TC Licencing Officer or Inspector reviews the application and issues the perminent licence. They see both the logbook and the PTR (in most cases).

Interestingly enough, the 300nm X/C is always something that is reviewed, at least in our region. 99% meet requirements now, but that has not always been the case.

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Post by Cat Driver » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:35 am

Cat... would you mind telling me your past experience with TC...?
Well GottaFly that would take a lot of writing, however very briefly I had a good working relationship with TC for about 48 years, until I had a problem with one of their M&M inspectors who was acting completely unethical and outside of any guidelines in any organazation.

When I went to his superior for help to rectify the situation he refused to do anything period so I went higher up the chain of command to Ottawa.

Ottawa refused to help and turned it back to the Regional Director Civil Aviation who took it upon himslef to really screw me over....this went on for about two and a half years at which time my legal expenses and the fact that my company had been shut down for those two and a half years resulted in my finally being bankrupt....

Eventually I went back to Ottawa and an internal investigation proved that I had been denied due process and TC had in fact acted unlawfully.....

...I have to catch a ferry to Vancouver...will finish this in a couple of hours on the ferry and let you know what TC is really like.
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Post by Cat Driver » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:17 am

O.K. GottaFly I can now continue to explian what TC is really like and you would be wise to remember what I am telling you.

There are many people working in TC who are decent honest people who would like to do their job fairly and efficiently, however the problem they face is their top management has put in place a culture that is based on the good old boys club that runs TCCA like a private third world dictatorship and anyone who steps out of line as far as the dictates of the power brokers at the top is concerned will be ruined as far as their career is concerned.

So lets get right to the root of this problem and examine the Director General Civil Aviation, the person responsible for the inner workings of TCCA, Merlin Preuss.

Merlin Preuss is a morally corrupt very powerful civil servant who can and does rule with an iron fist when it comes to policy within the regulator.

His methods of operating and his disregard for the rule of law would put a Mafia Don to shame when it comes to morals.

A Mafia Don is a criminal and their behavior is by defination that of a criminal.

Merlin Preuss is the person who "should" ensure that rule of law is followed in the running of TCCA and that we the public who are guaranteed our rights under Canadian law is enforced according to law.

However he has the beliefe that he is above the law and can and does disregard said laws when it so pleases him to protect his empire.

I was one of Merlins targets wherein he destroyed my career and company to protect several of TC's management who had acted unlawfully.

I have not been able to work in aviation in Canada for the past several years due to TC taking direct action to prevent me from working in Canadian aviation for the simple reason that I proved beyond doubt that Preuss and several other top level management are morrally corrupt and ignore the law when they choose to.

So to make it easy to understand, the Mafia is a criminal organazation and subject to the laws of Canada when caught breaking said laws.

Preuss and his underlings are supposed to uphold the law, however they think that they are above the law and flaunt the law and therefore are lower than the Mafia.

That is a simple outline of why I hold TCCA in utter contempt.
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Re: CPL Long Cross Country

Post by tasev1 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:27 pm

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