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Re: Getting hired

#26 Post by atphat » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:21 am

indieadventurer wrote:
anonymity wrote:As for WJ, there is no union at either WJ or Encore and the current CEO has been on record stating that the agreement could be modified without consent, so it essentially amounts to terms of employment which are subject to change. Once Encore has finished growing and is staffed properly, there is literally nothing stopping them from changing the terms.
The agreements in place at WJ and Encore are protected under contract law and neither WestJet nor WestJet Encore can "modify without consent" their respective agreements. Changes are permitted only through following the conditions agreed upon and laid out in the agreements through the use of MOAs, LOUs and involve votes by the pilot group to do so. If they stopped following the agreement the WJPA would take them to court for going against the contract.

In regards to The WJPA / WJ relationship. I'm sure they'll have a vote when they know it will go through. What about the larger more unpopular decisions? Did they hold a vote when they closed the port system? Did the WJPA take WJ to court over that? Or was that never an agreement. Not trying to stir the pot. Genuinely curious.
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Re: Getting hired

#27 Post by anonymity » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:54 am

Loopa,
I'm not a lawyer, but since it is in the signed agreement, I would say no less enforceable than the PML itself. The language itself could always be contested, it could come down to a grievance made by newer Jazz pilots.
To be fair, there is no minimum amount of pilots to be hired for the next group, just that it is supposed to be 80% of AC classes filled by regional carriers and the make up of those classes are based on headcount at each airline. It was explained that if Jazz was 70% of the pilots, then 70% of the spots were to be Jazz pilots.
Class of 20, 4 OTS, 11 Jazz/classic, 5 from the rest.
What does this mean, if AC turns down so many of the regional pilots that it can't fulfill the 80% obligation, I would guess the lawyers would take over at that point!

Atphat, good point, how was the "port system" set up, was it an agreement? I know it was a written document as to how it worked, so how was WJ able to just rip it up? Could they do the same to the "one list"?
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Re: Getting hired

#28 Post by rxl » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:30 am

anonymity wrote: Atphat, good point, how was the "port system" set up, was it an agreement? I know it was a written document as to how it worked, so how was WJ able to just rip it up? Could they do the same to the "one list"?
Interesting for sure, and I apologize for contributing to thread drift, but -

Which carries more legal "weight" - a collective agreement negotiated by a certified bargaining agent for a certified bargaining unit, or an in house agreement negotiated on behalf of an association of employees? Is there a difference?
I have always been under the impression that the court system does not "want" to become involved in disputes that may arise from labour relations issues, hence the creation of the various labour relations boards like the CIRB, OLRB etc.
When issues do arise for a non-certified body, for example WJPA, can they expect to have easy access to the courts for remedy? - and I say easy only somewhat tongue in cheek.
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Re: Getting hired

#29 Post by tallyho » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:03 pm

Air Canada has opened their portal for pilot applications. How does this fit in with the PML? Is the list already exhausted? Is it just to beef up the hiring pool?
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Re: Getting hired

#30 Post by MeAndMrPenguin » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:03 pm

By my count AC has hired about 200 Jazzers, Now, They need to hire the rest but some are saying no and some are deferring. This means that future courses may have more than %20 OTS. They have over 700 applications since March 01. I heard that resumes are sorted based on the amount of items you can check off in the application. The posting will close as advised so get on it.

Last group got a smattering of positions across the 3 major bases.
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Re: Getting hired

#31 Post by rudder » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:12 am

AC obliged to make not less than 495 offers to Jazzers under the terms of PMLv1.0

My guess is that 495 offers will be made. Not one more, or one less. Some deferrals will ultimately decline and some offers were converted to Jazz severance option. Therefore, the number of Jazz pilots joining AC under PMLv1.0 will in all likelihood be less than 495.

Deferrals are not affecting rate of departures to AC. The departed pilots are simply less senior due to the deferrals. Interviews are now well in to the bottom 1/3rd of the Jazz seniority list.

There is no reason to believe that the 80% Jazz quota per PIT course in 2016 will not be met. There is no supply side problem.
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Re: Getting hired

#32 Post by Rowdy » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:13 am

Looking through the jazz seniority list, I concur, they are well into the bottom 1/3 now.. More deferrals than I had thought would happen. I now wonder how many will ultimately decline when their 2 years are up or they are pushed to decide. Are some simply waiting for better seniority at AC via this experiment?

Its been an interesting venture to watch.
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Re: Getting hired

#33 Post by rudder » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:40 pm

The 'deferral' provision is not part of the PML but rather is a provision of the ACPA collective agreement. The ability to defer a PIT course offer up to two years with reserved seniority applies to ANY pilot offered a job at AC including OTS and any other Express pilot.

Reasons for deferral seem as varied as the length of the deferrals. Seems to be a personal choice. However, the entitlement to convert the FIP in to a severance payment is a feature available only to the Jazz pilots via the PMA. Perhaps that was the sole intent of some of the Jazz PML subscribers. Some have already done so and perhaps more will in the future therefore forfeiting their reserved seniority number at AC.

Thus far the administration of seniority issues associated with deferrals seem to have been well managed. Both parties to the ACPA collective agreement have been firm in their application of this provision and are making it clear that individual challenges will receive no support.
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Re: Getting hired

#34 Post by THLC » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:07 pm

MeAndMrPenguin wrote:I heard that resumes are sorted based on the amount of items you can check off in the application. The posting will close as advised so get on it.
I applied a few weeks ago. I met (and/or exceeded) all the requirements except for having an ATPL, which arrived in the mail the day after the job posting closed. I have since updated my resume on my profile but the question which asks what licence I have was not available for an update (it must be specific to the job ad).

I would guess that I'm out of luck this time around. Based on those questions alone I bet my application will stay in the unqualified pile for now.

Does anyone have some advice on this?
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#35 Post by Jimmybuffet » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:03 am

I'm hoping they will go through all the 705/degree people, and then move on to the "lower class" no degree, no 705....otherwise I'll be SOL! :lol: 4 years ago I knew more people who got on with only 704 time, and low MPIC at that. Times are a changin
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Re: Getting hired

#36 Post by MeAndMrPenguin » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:51 pm

Pick up the phone and find out who is the pilot hiring manager. Call them directly and tell them. Otherwise, try being creative. Fed Ex this update directly to that person with a quick note that you don't wanna miss out.
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Re: Getting hired

#37 Post by SAR_YQQ » Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:04 pm

AC doesn't use humans for the initial name draw. All based on a computerized selection - what you select on the application gives you a scoring. When they are ready to interview 200 applicants, they get a list of the top 200 names - as generated by the software. Good luck.
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