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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by pigboat » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:20 am

Our new V.P. told me last week that his plans are to move to year round training. How soon that happens, I do not know.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by confusedalot » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:54 pm

Heard through one of my big red buddies (an ''old'' guy) that at times, some new hires are put into A330 right seats and in 1.5 to 2 years, are eligible to bid 737 captain.

Sounds like extremely good times, also sounds like the good times are going to roll for the foreseeable future. I can see Air Canada training year round.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by dashtrash1 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:41 pm

1.5 to 2 years seems a little optimistic unless you had a reserved seniority number. I think the bottom 737 CA is around 3000 in the seniority list. I have seen 320 CA go much lower than that though. Good times regardless!
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by pigboat » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:58 am

There are a few going 737 CA positions at 3 years, A320 at 2 years and EMB at 1 year, Do not plan on those times holding into the future. You might get lucky and hold a Captain position after a year or two but especially for planning cash flow during the first 4 years at AC, do not plan on it. As the C series comes in I strongly suspect that it will go higher seniority that the EMB currently goes.

Big changes from the 10 years as a S/O and about 17 years to get to a Captains chair! Lots of great chairs to sit in while waiting and 120 retirements a year into the distant future.

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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by groundpilot » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:40 am

Not to be Debbie downer but 74 planned retirements for this year.

Seems like these retirement goal posts are always moving back
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by altiplano » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:54 am

groundpilot wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:40 am
Not to be Debbie downer but 74 planned retirements for this year.

Seems like these retirement goal posts are always moving back
Is that 74 turning 65?
Or 74 that have given the 1 year notice?
Or 74 combined 65 and under 65 that have given the 1 year notice?
Or ... ?

I understand some turning 65 aren't putting in any notice, and are maybe not going easy.

Just curious where the number is from too? CMSC?
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by pigboat » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:19 pm

When you see lower numbers of retirements this year, it is due to quite a few pulling the plug before age 65. Most seem to go at 62 or 63. Some stay to the end. Staying beyond 65 would mean a seat change and no one has done that so far. ............. Fly til You die! Look at how many reach age 65 each year and it is between 100 and 120 for most of the next eight years.

It would be nice to just have an age chart so you know how many retire each year. A good planning tool.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by groundpilot » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:39 pm

altiplano wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:54 am
groundpilot wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:40 am
Not to be Debbie downer but 74 planned retirements for this year.

Seems like these retirement goal posts are always moving back
Is that 74 turning 65?
Or 74 that have given the 1 year notice?
Or 74 combined 65 and under 65 that have given the 1 year notice?
Or ... ?

I understand some turning 65 aren't putting in any notice, and are maybe not going easy.

Just curious where the number is from too? CMSC?
This is right from the horses mouth at crew planning
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by pigboat » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:35 pm

That is 74 whom have given the one year notice. There is a penalty if we do not give 365 days notice.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by altiplano » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:58 pm

pigboat wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:35 pm
That is 74 whom have given the one year notice. There is a penalty if we do not give 365 days notice.
There isn't a penalty if you don't put in notice and turn 65.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by TOGA Party » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:29 am

I hear that many turning 65 are not giving retirement notice as they feel it will help them if/when a 67-year arrangement comes up and they want to continue.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by TheStig » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:24 am

At 65 pilots who haven't given their notice are moved to inactive status and coded ITF, under article 20, 'ineligible to fly', not technically retired...

However, if someone in crew planing says 74 retiring, I'd assume they've included those turning 65.

Most pilots leaving before 65 give their notice in the spring, take their annual vacation then retire before summer. In March, April and May just under 30 left this year.

The April equipment bid was 'delayed', effectively cancelled, the next one will be in June. It will be interesting to see how pilots are moved off the L767 in YVR, off the EMJ in YYZ and whether hiring will taper off into 2019.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by Fanblade » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:12 am

groundpilot wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:40 am
Not to be Debbie downer but 74 planned retirements for this year.

Seems like these retirement goal posts are always moving back
Sounds about right. This year is the first year we will see pilots hitting 65. Five years ago when the rules changed many still retired at 60. Over that initial year the percentage of people staying beyond 60 quickly grew.

It should be no surprise that this years retirement numbers are sub 100. Next year should produce the expected numbers. Doesn’t really matter though as crew planning is always looking 1 year ahead.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by Fanblade » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:12 am

groundpilot wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:40 am
Not to be Debbie downer but 74 planned retirements for this year.

Seems like these retirement goal posts are always moving back
Sounds about right. This year is the first year we will see pilots hitting 65. Five years ago when the rules changed many still retired at 60. Over that initial year the percentage of people staying beyond 60 quickly grew.

It should be no surprise that this years retirement numbers are sub 100. Next year should produce the expected numbers. Doesn’t really matter though as crew planning is always looking 1 year ahead.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by IFLY81 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:38 pm

New Career website for Air Canada....

Do we need to apply again for the existing application?

Thanks.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by pigboat » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:20 pm

The son of a friend just got the call this week for a course in late May. About 8 weeks after the interview process completed.

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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by Jimmy2 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:04 am

Late May. I wonder if the May 14th course got pushed back or they added another after it?
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by confusedalot » Sat May 05, 2018 9:49 pm

Keep that application updated; air canada has always worked in mysterious ways but one thing for sure is that they are in dire need for airplane drivers. Stating the obvious, now is one of those incredibly rare times where demand far surpasses supply.

Buddy of mine who ended up a checker in one of the widebodies tells me that the plan is for two courses of 40 people each month for the foreseeable future.

That's a whole lot of people.

Having said that, the capacity to absorb newhires may become an issue. Kind of silly, but where will all of those instructors come from?

Regardless of their deal about taking a percentage out of the feeders, they remain with a big problem.....filling seats.....no matter what.

Stating another obvious issue, rendering their feeders incapable of providing service because their pilots were poached does not make a whole lot of sense either. Nobody said life was fair, it actually never was.

It's all about putting bum's in seats and I mean that in the sense of putting anyone who can actually do the job, not bums as in losers.

So keep that application up. Chances are you will be called.

The thing about percentages on hiring and all of that stuff espoused by some feeder guys means nothing. The corporation is not going to compromise their major operations for some minor feeder deal.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by groundpilot » Sun May 06, 2018 6:23 am

From what I can tell and heard,

there will be a small class on May 14th then none till September
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by landsky » Sun May 06, 2018 8:08 am

groundpilot wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 6:23 am
From what I can tell and heard,

there will be a small class on May 14th then none till September
I've heard the same. I'm a recent new hire and had to wait 8 weeks after my PIT before getting in the sim because the training department is so backed up and sim slots are limited. From what I've heard they will take the summer to catch up and then resume hiring in large numbers in September.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by Dry Guy » Sun May 06, 2018 8:09 am

Yes, it's important to separate the the wheat from the chaff in this thread in terms of information from people that have nothing to do with Air Canada. Rumors from their friend's barber's son's neighbor are rarely accurate since everyone puts their own little spin on the story. They mean well but it just muddies the water for what is actually happening.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by 98 Corolla » Sun May 06, 2018 8:18 am

Man, 2 months between PIT and sim would be nice. You could know the SOP's inside and out. You're on flat pay anyways.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by landsky » Sun May 06, 2018 8:25 am

98 Corolla wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 8:18 am
Man, 2 months between PIT and sim would be nice. You could know the SOP's inside and out. You're on flat pay anyways.
Going from a turbo prop to an A320 you almost need that much time... no complaints from me!
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by altiplano » Sun May 06, 2018 8:51 am

landsky wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 8:25 am
98 Corolla wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 8:18 am
Man, 2 months between PIT and sim would be nice. You could know the SOP's inside and out. You're on flat pay anyways.
Going from a turbo prop to an A320 you almost need that much time... no complaints from me!
Did you get one of the Berlin courses?
I've seen a bunch of new hires are heading over there on their initial.

Pretty sweet way to get started at AC. 4 weeks of schweinshaxe, schnitzel, and steins.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

Post by landsky » Sun May 06, 2018 9:23 am

altiplano wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 8:51 am
landsky wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 8:25 am
98 Corolla wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 8:18 am
Man, 2 months between PIT and sim would be nice. You could know the SOP's inside and out. You're on flat pay anyways.
Going from a turbo prop to an A320 you almost need that much time... no complaints from me!
Did you get one of the Berlin courses?
I've seen a bunch of new hires are heading over there on their initial.

Pretty sweet way to get started at AC. 4 weeks of schweinshaxe, schnitzel, and steins.
Yup, off to Berlin next month, aside from a few exceptions it looks like all the initial courses are in Berlin. Should be fun!
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