The Air Canada OTS thread

[JBI]

August was the last class that had anyone directly from Encore. Unless you meant interviewed. If so, that’s encouraging. I know some that interviewed in July and are still waiting.

Sounds like there may be a few offers for Encore pilots for the latter GS in March.

[Squid]

2 encore for the first course in March dunno about later

[sdotz]

anyone know if the apr g/s calls have been done?

[Squid]

It’s going to be interesting with the China cancels and max

[Transition9er2]

Any word on more calls going for the next class?

Really interested to see if there’s a slow down coming.

T.

[SAExpress]

Don’t know about calls but I wouldn’t worry too much about a hiring slowdown anytime soon. Pilots are still retiring in large numbers and the new fatigue regs are still happening, which are two of the large drivers of all the hiring going on. Even if demand slows down for a while and reduces the number of pilots required in total, AC is still far behind what they need for pilots numbers.

The last bid showed 900+ vacancies. Even if that reduces a bit because of lower demand, that’s still a lot of positions that need to be filled.

[pilotbzh]

then again, also loads of expats on the way home to fill the pool.....

[derateNO]

I know of one that came, and quit after a few months. I think it might be harder to attract these WB CA from overseas with a pay of $50k.

[Daniel Cooper]

I know of one that came, and quit after a few months. I think it might be harder to attract these WB CA from overseas with a pay of $50k.

Seems a bit suspect. Why would you go through training for months, and just when you are about to be released onto the line, quit due to the salary.

[derateNO]

Dunno.

This guy was a 777 Captain who was laid off by Ethiad. So he didn't come here for the type rating..

Probably didn't realize how bad the pay actually was especially after taxes.

[altiplano]

That's good. The more that quit, the sooner the news makes it to the Golden Castle. Anywhere with DEC $100K and a Boeing would pick them off happily/easily I imagine.

If you figure you just need 3 or 5 years more, and aren't looking for longer... why not take the instant gratification. F@ck AC flat pay. I'm sorry to see us lose the experience from our group though... but if that's what it takes.

[derateNO]

Agreed.

[RVR6000]

1-2 or a handful quitting they don’t really care. AC has the Jazz puppy mill for an endless supply. Our mistake was signing the 10 years deal at 86% approval, buyers remorse.

[alkaseltzer]

Buyers remorse? Jazz sold out their young!

[Inverted2]

Didn’t a new FO bring up the flat pay to Calin at a roadshow or meet n’ greet and he basically told him if he didn’t like it he should quit?

[RVR6000]

Didn’t a new FO bring up the flat pay to Calin at a roadshow or meet n’ greet and he basically told him if he didn’t like it he should quit?

It was a mid-seniority Captain, and the response was go apply to Emirates.

[garfield]

Calin is a logical man. If you're not happy why don't you apply to Emirates?

[GATRKGA]

Didn’t a new FO bring up the flat pay to Calin at a roadshow or meet n’ greet and he basically told him if he didn’t like it he should quit?

It was a mid-seniority Captain, and the response was go apply to Emirates.

Lol. Calin has a lot of respect for his pilots, doesn't he? That's a classless response. How about No, if I'm not happy I go back to my strike rights and put you out of a job? Wait, the group negotiated it away like a bunch of idiots. At least the upgrades are going junior for the foreseeable future and a lot of 26-year-olds can impress their tinder dates with a steak dinner on King Street.

We are a special breed of something, Canadian pilot's that is. And Calin knows exactly what he's saying, he knows half of his pilots aren't bright enough to pass the screening over at EK. Working for the devil! At least the group is flying the flag and can have a sense of patriotism.

[lownslow]

Calin has a lot of respect for his pilots, doesn't he? That's a classless response. How about No, if I'm not happy I go back to my strike rights and put you out of a job?

The main difference I see is that he doesn’t take this sort of thing personally. Neither should any employee.

[TheStig]

Didn’t a new FO bring up the flat pay to Calin at a roadshow or meet n’ greet and he basically told him if he didn’t like it he should quit?

It was a mid-seniority Captain, and the response was go apply to Emirates.

Lol. Calin has a lot of respect for his pilots, doesn't he? That's a classless response. How about No, if I'm not happy I go back to my strike rights and put you out of a job? Wait, the group negotiated it away like a bunch of idiots. At least the upgrades are going junior for the foreseeable future and a lot of 26-year-olds can impress their tinder dates with a steak dinner on King Street.

We are a special breed of something, Canadian pilot's that is. And Calin knows exactly what he's saying, he knows half of his pilots aren't bright enough to pass the screening over at EK. Working for the devil! At least the group is flying the flag and can have a sense of patriotism.

Calin Rovinescu has certainly shown a lot more respect than Robert Milton. I hate seeing the Roadshows turn into company pep rallies but I didn't have an issue with that response, if you want to have a no BS discussion with the CEO, expect a no BS response. Some dull fluffy politically correct non-answer would have been more offensive. The pilots know exactly where they stand because of the ability to have grown up conversations with Exectutives. It's easy to sit behind a computer monitor and take jabs at 4000 other pilots.

I've never liked comparisons to the NHL, but do you think the players love Gary Bettman? I doubt it, but they can see the results of the direction he's steered the league since he took over as Commissioner. The team owners and the NHLPA aren't equals but they are partners and both need each other to succeed. With the impending purchase of its biggest trans-atlantic competitor, what ACPA need more than anything is for its biggest domestic competitor to negotiate a contact that approaches the WACON in the ACPA CA. US pilot unions have greatly benefitted from being able to use each other as benchmarks.

The young Captains we're seeing today weren't on the property in 2014 so they can wash their hands of the 10 year term if they so wish, but not the fact that they've benefitted from it. The group who voted on the agreement undoubtably traded pay rates for career progression. The contract could have been unilaterally voided by ACPA if the airline didn't meet its growth targets. The biggest oversight, in hindsight, was capping the profit sharing EBIDAR and not negotiating for greater share matching, but I don't think anyone foresaw the share growth or profitability that has followed in the now 6 years since.