The Air Canada OTS thread

[kiaszceski]

You guys are so lucky to have those planes... at least there is still work for you!
Keep going everyone will need those supplies!

[Station61]

I’ve seen the questions asked in this thread prior to Covid, but with hiring starting again, what are the chances of OTS hires going to AC from 705 companies in Canada ? With ATR/Dash8 or similar experience

[Sharklasers]

I’ve seen the questions asked in this thread prior to Covid, but with hiring starting again, what are the chances of OTS hires going to AC from 705 companies in Canada ? With ATR/Dash8 or similar experience

Not great for the next few years.
80% of new hires will come from Jazz. Which means about 60 non-Jazz pilots tops. If you arent military/heavy jet plus a degree and bilingual I think it will be a tough road to row untill the pool shallows out a bit.

[JoeyBarton]

I’ve seen the questions asked in this thread prior to Covid, but with hiring starting again, what are the chances of OTS hires going to AC from 705 companies in Canada ? With ATR/Dash8 or similar experience

Not great for the next few years.
80% of new hires will come from Jazz. Which means about 60 non-Jazz pilots tops. If you arent military/heavy jet plus a degree and bilingual I think it will be a tough road to row untill the pool shallows out a bit.

Before Rudder intervenes it's 60%

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Sorry tu burst your bubble but 90% of new hires must come from jazz....

[flyingcanuck]

Sorry tu burst your bubble but 90% of new hires must come from jazz....

incorrect, they need to accept 90% of the those applicants from Jazz in that pool

[columbia]

Sorry tu burst your bubble but 90% of new hires must come from jazz....

incorrect, they need to accept 90% of the those applicants from Jazz in that pool

What’s the difference?

[flyingcanuck]

Sorry tu burst your bubble but 90% of new hires must come from jazz....

incorrect, they need to accept 90% of the those applicants from Jazz in that pool

What’s the difference?

So they should hire up to 70% of new hire slots from jazz with a 10% overall turndown rate

[columbia]

incorrect, they need to accept 90% of the those applicants from Jazz in that pool

What’s the difference?

So they should hire up to 70% of new hire slots from jazz with a 10% overall turndown rate

I see. I though it was 60% annual rate from jazz.

[flyingcanuck]

What’s the difference?

So they should hire up to 70% of new hire slots from jazz with a 10% overall turndown rate

I see. I though it was 60% annual rate from jazz.

Well i just read through the contract and there is a 60% and a %70 figure, so it may be a min of 60 up to 70 I dont quite get the difference.

[FL030]

I’ve seen the questions asked in this thread prior to Covid, but with hiring starting again, what are the chances of OTS hires going to AC from 705 companies in Canada ? With ATR/Dash8 or similar experience

I can see a good reason for pilots from every single airline in Canada to be applying to Air Canada now, regardless of their current seniority. Captains from Transat, WestJet, Sunwing, not to mention Cathay, Emirates, etc are going to be your competition. I bet AC is really regretting that Jazz hiring deal now.

[rudder]

60% of positions (on an annualized basis) from Jazz. Maximum 10% turndown rate (on an annualized basis).

90% of positions from Jazz in any year AC hires 100 or less total pilots.

Hope that helps.

[JoeyBarton]

Sorry tu burst your bubble but 90% of new hires must come from jazz....

Show us the proof

[goleafsgo]

60% of positions (on an annualized basis) from Jazz. Maximum 10% turndown rate (on an annualized basis).

90% of positions from Jazz in any year AC hires 100 or less total pilots.

Hope that helps.

This ^

[bobcatdriver]

incorrect, they need to accept 90% of the those applicants from Jazz in that pool

What’s the difference?

So they should hire up to 70% of new hire slots from jazz with a 10% overall turndown rate

Why 10% overall turndown rate? Does Murray want the accidents and incidents to increase?

[sportingrifle]

Curious about something if anyone knows the answer....
How is the Jazz PML actually structured? Is the agreement just between AC and Jazz? Or AC and Jazz with a separate additional MOU agreement between Jazz and it's pilot union? Or is the agreement between a 3 way deal between AC, Jazz, and the Jazz union with all 3 signatures on one document?

[rudder]

Curious about something if anyone knows the answer....
How is the Jazz PML actually structured? Is the agreement just between AC and Jazz? Or AC and Jazz with a separate additional MOU agreement between Jazz and it's pilot union? Or is the agreement between a 3 way deal between AC, Jazz, and the Jazz union with all 3 signatures on one document?

Agreement between Jazz and ALPA (JAZ).

Jazz then takes these forward and they form part of the CPA between CHR and AC, or are undertakings made by AC.

Simply put - Jazz does not agree to anything with ALPA in this regard without AC concurrence in advance. Alternatively, ALPA can reach these agreements with Jazz (as part of normal course CBA renewal or an item included in a broader LOU) and make the entire tentative agreement conditional on the AC piece. No AC concurrence, entire deal (CBA TA or LOU) is void. Many of these tentative agreements are tied to CPA enhancements for AC.

No ACPA consent required as all current PML hires go BOTL reflecting their seniority number that flows out of their mainline PIT course. This is as per the language in the ACPA CBA that determines seniority. The only exception to this was the ‘reserved seniority’ feature of PML 1.0. It required ACPA consent (via LOU) and involved ACPA receiving other consideration from AC.

These ‘deals’ have facilitated the absorption of GGN and SKV operations in to Jazz in a seamless basis without any interruption of service as well as CPA enhancements that tilt towards AC. AC has benefited significantly. Preferred hiring has nearly zero economic cost.

AC needs Express operations to be staffed. Making 60% of the new-hire positions at AC exclusively sourced from Jazz helps to accomplish that objective. It ensures a pipeline of applicants to Jazz even though there are numerous other opportunities out there. None of them come with a guaranteed interview (within Jazz seniority) and a not-less-than 90% chance of getting hired.

AC can fall below 60% Jazz hiring (on an annualized basis) if there are insufficient qualified applicants from Jazz.

It is not a perfect arrangement. But it is what is in place for the next 13 years (subject to modification with mutual consent).

[JoeyBarton]

One OTS I know has an interview lined up pretty soon. Anybody else?

[link821]

One OTS I know has an interview lined up pretty soon. Anybody else?

What experience and total time is he at? Just curious.

[columbia]

One OTS I know has an interview lined up pretty soon. Anybody else?

What experience and total time is he at? Just curious.

I know 2 TRZ FOs that got an email. 1000h+ WB FO, and both 500h+ multi PIC. Between 4-5000h TT each.