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1. The first thing I said was it's too low.

2. I said more "like" which is an epistemic modality that signals to the reader a lesser degree of certainty in the exactness of my number.

3. These aren't the income amounts people are making. I don't know how to communicate that to you any more effectively. Everyone takes home more.

4. Annual salary increases are part of the contract. That's just what it is, and it isn't irrelevant.

5. I'm not cherry picking. Do people want accurate details of the package or not? I guess I could start to add in transport allowance to go to work, check in check out allowance, free coffee at flight planning, shoes and luggage, paid medicals, TC fees, and dare I say per diems... now I'd be cherry picking... Pension, profit share, training pay, are all very real. Or should I mention CPP, EI, and and tax rates by province also? I thought that those things were understood as they are common knowledge in our society.

6. "I just don't appreciate", yeah that makes both of us... I don't appreciate statements like "$40K for 4 years" I corrected it, I was reasonably accurate... conservatively accurate in terms of whole package... you don't like it? Start voting "No"... Do the current survey and let them have it. Tell your friends too.
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Well lets stick with FACTS.

First year Gross 2018 as per T4 was 69K

Full medical covered for family.

Per diems on top.

NO overtime or extra work done at all.
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RRJetPilot wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:30 pm Well lets stick with FACTS.

First year Gross 2018 as per T4 was 69K

Full medical covered for family.

Per diems on top.

NO overtime or extra work done at all.
That’s not so bad. I don’t see what all the fuss is about. That altiplano guy (with +3750 posts maybe you should go focus on enjoying your life instead of posting online, although maybe this is the only place you think people will actually listen to you), daniel cooper (and the rest of the avcanada AC haters) are a strange breed. They’ll say anything to try and make themselves feel better.
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Hi. Go #uck yourself. I enjoy life just fine.

Been posting for 15 years here, and maybe it's a bit of a habit at times, maybe blowing off steam and reading what assholes like me and you have to say. Sure I make a few posts here and there and they've added up. I'm just trying to set the record straight, maybe help a guy here or there on PMs and offer my opinion... and you know what it is a free fucking country.

What the #uck are you doing other than pissing on me? Honestly, I think you have some good posts... just another asshole I guess...
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altiplano wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:41 pm 1. The first thing I said was it's too low.

2. I said more "like" which is an epistemic modality that signals to the reader a lesser degree of certainty in the exactness of my number.

3. These aren't the income amounts people are making. I don't know how to communicate that to you any more effectively. Everyone takes home more.

4. Annual salary increases are part of the contract. That's just what it is, and it isn't irrelevant.

5. I'm not cherry picking. Do people want accurate details of the package or not? I guess I could start to add in transport allowance to go to work, check in check out allowance, free coffee at flight planning, shoes and luggage, paid medicals, TC fees, and dare I say per diems... now I'd be cherry picking... Pension, profit share, training pay, are all very real. Or should I mention CPP, EI, and and tax rates by province also? I thought that those things were understood as they are common knowledge in our society.

6. "I just don't appreciate", yeah that makes both of us... I don't appreciate statements like "$40K for 4 years" I corrected it, I was reasonably accurate... conservatively accurate in terms of whole package... you don't like it? Start voting "No"... Do the current survey and let them have it. Tell your friends too.
I’m not trying to start a fight or see who can be more accurate when researching data. I’ve read quite a few posts and we agree on quite a bit and I learn quite a bit from reading some as well.

On your point #3 are you referring to your original comment about flat pay being 60k rising to 85k? You’re trying to communicate effectively but you say that was based on the 75 hour guarantee which is why I was confused. The amount people have taken home as jetpilot alluded to, is much more. If we lose some flying, or your airplane is grounded...then you make that 75 hour guarantee which wouldn’t be that same T4 as jetpilot mentioned.

The main point I’m trying to make is flat pay isn’t a fair amount for a widebody FO. I still haven’t heard a good reason to willfully bid that position as opposed to the RP seat or a narrow body FO seat. I can see it if you’re close to coming off flat pay, but in the first 3 years it does not make sense to me.
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1. The first thing I said was it's too low.

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That altiplano guy (with +3750 posts maybe you should go focus on enjoying your life instead of posting online, although maybe this is the only place you think people will actually listen to you
+300 on Pprune and airlinepilotcentral; fortunately the max is still grounded until feb 2020 😅

Back to the topic; as a new hire and if you’re a gambler: go to Transat instead and get paid 55 760 $/69 535 $/$ 82 610 $/89 898 $ (plus almost all the same extras) the first 4 years and then wait for AC.
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So I'm old and have been around... I'm still not the Top Poster.
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FL320 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:30 am go to Transat instead and get paid 55 760 $/69 535 $/$ 82 610 $/89 898 $ (plus almost all the same extras) the first 4 years and then wait for AC.
That doesn't really seem much better. Does Transat have profit sharing too? That's how people are making $70k in their first year at AC.
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Wondering if Iflyroads or any other AC insider has information regarding upcoming class sizes now that the Max is off the schedule for another month. Is it safe to say we can expect groups of 10-15 for the next few classes?

Thanks,

T.
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Victory wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:22 am
FL320 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:30 am go to Transat instead and get paid 55 760 $/69 535 $/$ 82 610 $/89 898 $ (plus almost all the same extras) the first 4 years and then wait for AC.
That doesn't really seem much better. Does Transat have profit sharing too? That's how people are making $70k in their first year at AC.
Hoping for more record profits to pad the profit share...that’s gambling in another way! I agree a better gamble than going to Transat, but still hard to pencil that into the budget planning with signs of recession flashing around.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

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altiplano wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:50 pm Hi. Go #uck yourself. I enjoy life just fine.

Been posting for 15 years here, and maybe it's a bit of a habit at times, maybe blowing off steam and reading what assholes like me and you have to say. Sure I make a few posts here and there and they've added up. I'm just trying to set the record straight, maybe help a guy here or there on PMs and offer my opinion... and you know what it is a free fucking country.

What the #uck are you doing other than pissing on me? Honestly, I think you have some good posts... just another asshole I guess...
Nice play with the victim card but have you ever heard the expression, “if everyone else is an asshole, you’re probably an asshole?” Say what you want to say, but your ignorance, intolerance and hot-headedness is evident in other threads, and probably the other websites you post on too. Anyone that pulls the “it’s a free fucking country” line is usually a real mouthpiece, and it’s not the first time you’ve said it. Good day sir.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

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mixturerich wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:00 pm
altiplano wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:50 pm Hi. Go #uck yourself. I enjoy life just fine.

Been posting for 15 years here, and maybe it's a bit of a habit at times, maybe blowing off steam and reading what assholes like me and you have to say. Sure I make a few posts here and there and they've added up. I'm just trying to set the record straight, maybe help a guy here or there on PMs and offer my opinion... and you know what it is a free fucking country.

What the #uck are you doing other than pissing on me? Honestly, I think you have some good posts... just another asshole I guess...
Nice play with the victim card but have you ever heard the expression, “if everyone else is an asshole, you’re probably an asshole?” Say what you want to say, but your ignorance, intolerance and hot-headedness is evident in other threads, and probably the other websites you post on too. Anyone that pulls the “it’s a free fucking country” line is usually a real mouthpiece, and it’s not the first time you’ve said it. Good day sir.
No victim here, not sure where you get that.

I don't know what your problem is though, can you be more specific. Here you're directly insulting me unprovoked.

And yes, as I said "assholes like me" and you too... lots of types of assholes though... I use the term loosely...

Intolerance? For identity politics? Political correctness? You got me. But it's a free country and people can be whoever they want to be, I have no problem with people being whatever they want to be.

You're read on me couldn't be further off the mark... But no surprise there... so off you go, back to espousing your professionalism, while complaining about the French, and dreaming of "smashing Eastern European flight attendants"... classy...
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Transition9er2 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:51 am Wondering if Iflyroads or any other AC insider has information regarding upcoming class sizes now that the Max is off the schedule for another month. Is it safe to say we can expect groups of 10-15 for the next few classes?

Thanks,

T.
From my understanding the next class coming up has 40 in it. Take it with a grain of salt though as it's just a rumour.
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Re: The Air Canada OTS thread

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altiplano wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:55 pm
mixturerich wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:00 pm
altiplano wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:50 pm Hi. Go #uck yourself. I enjoy life just fine.

Been posting for 15 years here, and maybe it's a bit of a habit at times, maybe blowing off steam and reading what assholes like me and you have to say. Sure I make a few posts here and there and they've added up. I'm just trying to set the record straight, maybe help a guy here or there on PMs and offer my opinion... and you know what it is a free fucking country.

What the #uck are you doing other than pissing on me? Honestly, I think you have some good posts... just another asshole I guess...
Nice play with the victim card but have you ever heard the expression, “if everyone else is an asshole, you’re probably an asshole?” Say what you want to say, but your ignorance, intolerance and hot-headedness is evident in other threads, and probably the other websites you post on too. Anyone that pulls the “it’s a free fucking country” line is usually a real mouthpiece, and it’s not the first time you’ve said it. Good day sir.
No victim here, not sure where you get that.

I don't know what your problem is though, can you be more specific. Here you're directly insulting me unprovoked.

And yes, as I said "assholes like me" and you too... lots of types of assholes though... I use the term loosely...

Intolerance? For identity politics? Political correctness? You got me. But it's a free country and people can be whoever they want to be, I have no problem with people being whatever they want to be.

You're read on me couldn't be further off the mark... But no surprise there... so off you go, back to espousing your professionalism, while complaining about the French, and dreaming of "smashing Eastern European flight attendants"... classy...
Hey now, tread softly, for you tread on my dreams :cry:
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Dreams are right... first post 4 years ago as a 210 hour wannabe hoping to build hours... keep on dreaming asshole.
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Flat pay is crap. Not doubt about it. As a new hire, I think altiplano’s posts are pretty accurate. I think he paints a pretty realistic picture of what an average new hire could expect. Actually, if you’re fortunate to get Rouge 767 out of GS or transfer into Rouge on the 319 or 767, you’ll actually make more.

Also fringe benefits like life insurance, paid family medical/dental benefits, 33% ESOP, pension, B1 passes, ect add up when you compare to other companies. Most single, pimple faced, 25 year olds applying, really don’t give a shit about these benefits and only look at the basic pay at airlinepilot central.
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dashtrash1 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:00 pm
Transition9er2 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:51 am Wondering if Iflyroads or any other AC insider has information regarding upcoming class sizes now that the Max is off the schedule for another month. Is it safe to say we can expect groups of 10-15 for the next few classes?

Thanks,

T.
From my understanding the next class coming up has 40 in it. Take it with a grain of salt though as it's just a rumour.
Thanks for the note, are you referring to the Oct 21 class or the one following... Nov 11(ish)?

Some previous posts suggested the Oct 21 class was sitting around 14 total.

T.
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I just talked to a guy in training. The rumour was incorrect, I apologize for spreading it. The next course Monday is 14.

Sounds like they're expecting to be increasing the numbers by Nov or Dec.
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Some sort of email went out today? Can anyone confirm?
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