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Re: Pilot Mobility Agreement

#26 Post by aV1aTOr » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:13 pm

dannyjet wrote:@fish4life, thank you for the quick answer. This is what I thought too. So in the case OTS also means candidates that are in a situation like mine, it seems the best idea would be to stay abroad and wait for command to get PIC time in order to be competitive enough. Then, switch to AC accepting a position as a FO and its corresponding (lower) salary in a, most likely, narrow body. Hum.

@Ex99guy, I've paid with years of service, naturally. I don't agree paying money for a rating either.
Dannyjet, if you feel you MUST work for AC, it would seem the express carriers are your best shot. If you are happy where you are and would like AC but are open to other options, then waiting for PIC time and the OTS interview may suit you better. But keep in mind, the OTS door has been shut tight for some years now, and when it opens, the competition will be fierce. Military, defunct carriers, WJ/AT/SW pilots looking to move, turboprop captains, jet captains, you name it. I can only imagine how qualified the resumes are at the top of the OTS pile right now. Thankfully it's not all about flying experience, but you can bet it will be used to thin the herd.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#27 Post by sportingrifle » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:46 pm

FWIW when making career plans with the sand constantly shifting under your feet.

The "PFO" rate for OTS interviewees at AC in the last several years has fluctuated between 75% and 85%. This may change in the future.

If you are young, a guaranteed interview with a 75% chance of success looks like a lot more of a sure thing than a hope for an interview with a 75% chance of failure. Statistically.

Another point worth mentioning, is that a 3 or 4 year degree is almost a per-requisite to get that OTS interview now at Big Red. This too may also change.

The only other piece of advice I would give is that flying is a wonderful profession if you love flying, and if that is the case, you will enjoy your career wherever it takes you. If you are not passionate about flying itself, and the whole purpose of your career is to make it to a particular carrier, you probably won't be happy even if you get there. Bail now and do something you love. YMMV.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#28 Post by Jean-Pierre » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:01 am

I don't know anyone that has failed OTS interview with AC so I think your number is way off. They wouldn't fly people to Toronto and stick them interview them and stick them in the sim and stuff to fail 85% of them. Just doesn't make sense time or money wise. The training dept is very good. As long as you are trainable which is why they take people with degrees. I also don't think 75% of PML interviews are successful but I don't know enough that have done it to make a personal call on that. Just what I heard.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#29 Post by PositiveRate27 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:01 am

Jean-Pierre wrote:I don't know anyone that has failed OTS interview with AC so I think your number is way off. They wouldn't fly people to Toronto and stick them interview them and stick them in the sim and stuff to fail 85% of them. Just doesn't make sense time or money wise. The training dept is very good. As long as you are trainable which is why they take people with degrees. I also don't think 75% of PML interviews are successful but I don't know enough that have done it to make a personal call on that. Just what I heard.

Air Canada doesn't do a sim eval.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#30 Post by garfield » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:18 pm

But Jazz do.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#31 Post by BingBong » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:32 pm

But we no talk about Jazz...ugh...Tarzan hungry
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#32 Post by PositiveRate27 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:46 pm

garfield wrote:But Jazz do.
And?
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#33 Post by garfield » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:48 pm

Kind of surprising.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#34 Post by rudder » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:45 am

Several of the Jazz pilots that moved to AC via the PML were in their fifties.

Does anybody know if pilots are eligible for GDIIP after age 60?
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#35 Post by Fanblade » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:15 am

rudder wrote:Several of the Jazz pilots that moved to AC via the PML were in their fifties.

Does anybody know if pilots are eligible for GDIIP after age 60?
Yes. So long as you don't have a full pension. Then no. Imposed in FOS with the company submission. Likely to be challenged when someone gets denied.

You also get denied SERP for a year if you retire without a years notice. Again imposed in FOS. Again likely to be challenged when someone gets denied.

Put the two together and you have the potential for some significant economic pain if you are over 60 with a full pension and you get ill.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#36 Post by Fanblade » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:21 am

With that said it's important to understand how our GIDIP works.

When hired you qualify for 1 year. At the start of your second year you qualify for 2 years. So on and so on until a max of 12.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#37 Post by rudder » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:55 am

Thx.

Because of the GIDIP formula, many of the older Jazz PML pilots have purchased third party loss of licence coverage. Premiums are risk based so for forty-something's it is not bad but for fifty-something's it gets quite pricey. Better safe than sorry.
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Re: Pilot mobility agreement

#38 Post by teacher » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:51 am

rudder wrote:Thx.

Because of the GIDIP formula, many of the older Jazz PML pilots have purchased third party loss of licence coverage. Premiums are risk based so for forty-something's it is not bad but for fifty-something's it gets quite pricey. Better safe than sorry.
Many younger pilots with families as well. Everyone should have something since if you cannot work you still need to live.
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Re: Pilot Mobility Agreement

#39 Post by dannyjet » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:26 am

@aV1aTOr I appreciate your informative answer, thank you!
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