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Re: First few years pay

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Thanks Dry Guy
Good to see it from someone doing it....
guess no one has time to post too busy trying to make more money
lets split the difference at 4800 net income or 57600 per annum.

Rent 1,500 (if your lucky)
vehicle plus gas 500
food 1000
utilities 350
misc 500

total 3850

missing anything here?....ya probably tons of stuff if your kinda normal

That leaves you 1k per month......

does the airline consider the cost of living when they set salary numbers like this and the overall well being of the people in the front of their assets zooming around the world?

sad to say even when there is hiring its still crap
not much has changed

marry well folks
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That's pretty high for COL.

I know I'm not the average but with careful searching I was able to find a one bedroom apartment for $1000/mo in Richmond. My food bill is around $500, utilities/internet $100, car expenses approx $400. I live a pretty comfortable lifestyle, although I do make more than AC starting pay I have been building my life and expenses around a potential future pay cut to go to mainline. I don't feel my lifestyle will change much if at all. Probably less vacations but I'm ok with that for a few years.
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I could be wrong but I would say you are far from average.....
Although there are some very frugal people...especially pilots
500 for food?
what do you eat?
so your heat/power/cell etc are 100 a month?
and a one bedroom assumes you only need 1 bedroom
point is entry level at AC is only geared for certain folks
i wonder if that is part of the matrix
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altiplano wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:01 pm
Dry Guy wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:01 am I take home about $4300 a month. Don't believe the hype.
No intention to be hype. My number was an average, and a bit of a rough number.... Including profit share. Including ESOP. Including SIM/ART pay. I think it's reasonably accurate.
I don't think potential annual profit sharing bonus should be included in your take home pay numbers. After all you are not WestJet :D
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no it shouldnt I just took his word for it.....
in which case lets stay with 4300
makes it even worse
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Victory wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:37 am I don't think potential annual profit sharing bonus should be included in your take home pay numbers. After all you are not WestJet :D
Yeah because those big cheques in April aren't real...

You are welcome to make your own set of numbers.

My numbers reflect what someone joining in the past few years would have received... for showing up for the minimum... I didn't include anything beyond the 75 hour/month guarantee, let alone OT, etc.
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The other airline alternative being Westjet. Take home pay for a first year FO around $1400 per pay cheque.
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I don't know how we got in this situation where pilot only get paid if the airline is profitable. It is not real salary.
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Air Canada could pay $500 bucks a month for the first 4 years and they would still be flooded with applicants. The rotten part is for the guys/gals who have been flying for several years and then have to bend over and take another pay cut.
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CAL wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:30 am I could be wrong but I would say you are far from average.....
Although there are some very frugal people...especially pilots
500 for food?
what do you eat?
so your heat/power/cell etc are 100 a month?
and a one bedroom assumes you only need 1 bedroom
point is entry level at AC is only geared for certain folks
i wonder if that is part of the matrix
Yeah I understand I am. I'm just sharing an example of what works for me. I am by no means living a sad life... I go traveling regularly and still manage to put about a grand away a month. I'm still a reserve pilot and my per diem check is pretty minimal. I take home about $1870 twice a month plus anywhere from $500-1200 in per diems depending on how much I fly.

Heat and water are included with my rent. My hydro is about $15/month and internet is $80. Cell is $90 (Canada USA call text data 15 gigs) I forgot to add that in the original post.

I eat a lot of fresh food, fruit, veggies, rice, beans, chicken, oats, yogurt etc. Maybe it's a bit low, $650? I don't really track it but just from memory I spend about $40-60 ever few (5-6) days. At the most I spend $100 a week and then add a bit from eating out or grabbing a brew with buddies.

It took me a while to learn how to properly grocery shop. I don't buy food that will inevitably get tossed. The bonus of buying bulk veggies and fruit is it's all by weight. Bulk rice, beans, chicken (freeze it) goes a long way. No reason to buy more than you KNOW you'll need, if you need more just go buy it. I used to throw a lot of food away.
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gets even better......
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CAL wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:57 am gets even better......
What, budgeting and living within your means?
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The means available to a first year pilot at AC is a 1 bedroom apartment. If you expect to have any family life, house, kids, etc., then your spouse better be making good money too.
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Agreed. Fortunately for me, I don't have that to worry about.

That being said I also live out west. If you live in say, Montreal.. You can buy a house for $200k if you need the space.
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you employed by AC then?
the money is shit for a while....
no amount of budgeting or cookie coating makes it any better.
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CAL wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:04 am you employed by AC then?
the money is shit for a while....
no amount of budgeting or cookie coating makes it any better.
I survived just fine on Jazz FO pay, I'm sure I'll be ok if I go to AC. Is it ideal? No. But what other options do we have? I don't want to work at WJ, AT or SW. Overseas? Been looking into it but honestly if I can stay here I'd rather do that. Even if it means taking a pay cut for a few years. The long term payoff will out perform anything I'll ever make at Jazz.
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Funny world - all of those crusty old Airline guys that I encountered while I was coming thrugh the trenches cautioned me to "never pay for my PPC!" Yet, to go to AC or WJ, it seems that you do just that :roll:
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mmm..bacon wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:31 pm Funny world - all of those crusty old Airline guys that I encountered while I was coming thrugh the trenches cautioned me to "never pay for my PPC!" Yet, to go to AC or WJ, it seems that you do just that :roll:
It is the way it is. It needs changing, but I'm not going to sit on the sidelines "waiting" for it to change as I continue to get older. I know many people in the same position as I am. Maybe I can make a difference when/if I get there.

It's those same old crusty guys who made the contracts the way they are now. The same ones who are completely out to lunch on living costs in YVR/YYZ and have no clue what it's like to be young in Canada. "Oh, but when I was young I made $5 and hour instructing." No one cares.
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Lightchop is correct.....
the only solution is for everyone to stick the middle finger up....
which isn't going to happen......and even if they did stick the finger up they would outsource the flying to cheap labour
it is a problem for sure....
and unfortunately the old crusty guys are making too much to give a shit
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