Sounds like the CARS duty regs. There's always a loophole to get out of them.
Or, you know... the grounding of the 737 Max and by association the delay of GGN pilots flowing to Jazz.
Nothing is ever as black and white as we all like, that being said looking at the new hire bios since this new agreement took effect, AC has been more than generous with offers to Jazz pilots. A large majority of the new hires since April have been from Jazz, with only a small slow down right now. Expect to see it pick back up with aggression in the fall.
No I meant it literally sounds like something the CARS would say. Though in hindsight yes, the new duty regs would make it hard for Jazz to lose a ton of pilots right now.
TheSocialChameleon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:48 am
Yes post secondary aviation diploma. Total time 3500hrs. English only. It is totally a mystery and I don't take it personally. I know my worth. I don't feel dumber or smarter than a current AC pilot. It is 99% timing.
Got the PFO a few days ago. College Diploma. 1000 hrs RJ PIC. Clean flight tests record. Had many training Captains as my references.
Interview I thought went amazing. Very confused with the results. I’m upset to see that the groundschool I was supposed to be in was mostly OTS and next ones will GGN.
I have thick skin so it doesn't affect me.
Not sure who youre trying to convince youre unaffected by this, us, or yourself? But thats some contradiction going on there.
TheSocialChameleon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:47 am
Why would you call yourself dashtrash ? I respect the aircraft I fly and would never give it such a name. If you can do that to your own aircraft it is clear you don't even respect others.
No, you dont. If youre going to lose it over that, I cant imagine what will happen when you discover Le Bus known as "Christine", how disrespectful of a nick name for a beautifully built French airplane.
TheSocialChameleon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:44 pm
Got the PFO a few days ago. College Diploma. 1000 hrs RJ PIC. Clean flight tests record. Had many training Captains as my references. Interview I thought went amazing. Very confused with the results. I’m upset to see that the groundschool I was supposed to be in was mostly OTS and next ones will GGN.
Did you get PFO’d cause you lied about your PIC time, or cause you were cocky during the interview ?
TheSocialChameleon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:44 pm
Got the PFO a few days ago. College Diploma. 1000 hrs RJ PIC. Clean flight tests record. Had many training Captains as my references. Interview I thought went amazing. Very confused with the results. I’m upset to see that the groundschool I was supposed to be in was mostly OTS and next ones will GGN.
Did you get PFO’d cause you lied about your PIC time, or cause you were cocky during the interview ?
If it wasn't picked up in the interview, I'm sure the psych evaluation easily picked out his over-inflated self worth and oozing bullshit...
Had an FO years ago that was proud that he'd never flown a Turbo-prop.
Navajo to the "jet RJ" of the time (mid-90's). He was cocky as a rooster. Never learned. Neither Canadian, not AC ever touched the guy. Still at Jazz as far as I know. Likely an RJ skipper.
Some need to learn a little humility, while it comes naturally to others. It's a requirement for the job.
No matter what one's level of education is, or languages they speak, or hours of flying they have, it is about simply getting along with others. You must know things, and obviously there are all levels of ability in anything, and some think they can do it all alone. They are wrong. But sometimes they do figure it out. You cannot give up.
tsgarp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:53 am
How long does it take to get the PFO after the interview?
It was 4 months for me to get the PFO. The email was gently worded. It was more of not now, but maybe later.
4 months??!!!
4 months for a PFO, that's harsh. Is that the norm? I was under the assumption that a PFO letter would be given very quickly, within the 6-8 weeks window that big red says, basically when the hiring board meet up.
It's probably the Jazz deal that's making things difficult for them. They have to be sure they are meeting quotas. They can't just turn people away quickly anymore since they might need them if no one better comes along.
Here’s an idea for AC. Forget about even bothering with interviewing JAZZ guys/gals. If they were good enough to get hired by JAZZ and fly AC passengers around for at least 2+ years then why the hell should they even need to be interviewed again by the mother ship. Jazz has the same medical, Psyc evaluation etc that AC does. Prospective Jazz pilots even have the extra step of a sim eval, while AC doesn’t even give sim Evals.
Encore pilots don’t have to re-interview with mainline when their number is up-they just go on the 737 course. Many US CPA carriers also have guaranteed flow-no additional interview required.
It’s like AC is saying to Jazz pilots - you are good enough to fly our passengers around as an RJ captain but not good enough to start with us as a relief pilot? WTF
If they are really so concerned about the product Jazz is hiring then put someone from mainline HR on the Jazz interview panel.
hithere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 am
Here’s an idea for AC. Forget about even bothering with interviewing JAZZ guys/gals. If they were good enough to get hired by JAZZ and fly AC passengers around for at least 2+ years then why the hell should they even need to be interviewed again by the mother ship. Jazz has the same medical, Psyc evaluation etc that AC does. Prospective Jazz pilots even have the extra step of a sim eval, while AC doesn’t even give sim Evals.
Encore pilots don’t have to re-interview with mainline when their number is up-they just go on the 737 course. Many US CPA carriers also have guaranteed flow-no additional interview required.
It’s like AC is saying to Jazz pilots - you are good enough to fly our passengers around as an RJ captain but not good enough to start with us as a relief pilot? WTF
If they are really so concerned about the product Jazz is hiring then put someone from mainline HR on the Jazz interview panel.
Hopefully with the way the industry is going, mainline will follow that mantra. The other plus is that it keeps guys at express brand for a guaranteed time, more ass in seat right?
hithere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 am
Here’s an idea for AC. Forget about even bothering with interviewing JAZZ guys/gals. If they were good enough to get hired by JAZZ and fly AC passengers around for at least 2+ years then why the hell should they even need to be interviewed again by the mother ship. Jazz has the same medical, Psyc evaluation etc that AC does. Prospective Jazz pilots even have the extra step of a sim eval, while AC doesn’t even give sim Evals.
Encore pilots don’t have to re-interview with mainline when their number is up-they just go on the 737 course. Many US CPA carriers also have guaranteed flow-no additional interview required.
It’s like AC is saying to Jazz pilots - you are good enough to fly our passengers around as an RJ captain but not good enough to start with us as a relief pilot? WTF
If they are really so concerned about the product Jazz is hiring then put someone from mainline HR on the Jazz interview panel.
Which US regionals are providing guaranteed flow to a mainline carrier without interview or conditions?
Also of note there aren't any US regionals hiring 250 hour pilots, they aren't even hiring pilots without an ATPL...
AC has different hiring methods and practises than Jazz because they are a different company.
If you prefer the Encore/Westjet model, I'm sure they're interviewing...
There's some annoying people at Jazz I'd rather not fly with. You've probably seen them too, on YouTube, or walking through the terminal with orange socks and their tunic open. They seem to be doing a good job keeping these people out until they can mature.
hithere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 am
Here’s an idea for AC. Forget about even bothering with interviewing JAZZ guys/gals. If they were good enough to get hired by JAZZ and fly AC passengers around for at least 2+ years then why the hell should they even need to be interviewed again by the mother ship. Jazz has the same medical, Psyc evaluation etc that AC does. Prospective Jazz pilots even have the extra step of a sim eval, while AC doesn’t even give sim Evals.
Encore pilots don’t have to re-interview with mainline when their number is up-they just go on the 737 course. Many US CPA carriers also have guaranteed flow-no additional interview required.
It’s like AC is saying to Jazz pilots - you are good enough to fly our passengers around as an RJ captain but not good enough to start with us as a relief pilot? WTF
If they are really so concerned about the product Jazz is hiring then put someone from mainline HR on the Jazz interview panel.
Which US regionals are providing guaranteed flow to a mainline carrier without interview or conditions?
Also of note there aren't any US regionals hiring 250 hour pilots, they aren't even hiring pilots without an ATPL...
AC has different hiring methods and practises than Jazz because they are a different company.
If you prefer the Encore/Westjet model, I'm sure they're interviewing...
Envoy for example. Direct flow without interview to American.
hithere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 am
Here’s an idea for AC. Forget about even bothering with interviewing JAZZ guys/gals. If they were good enough to get hired by JAZZ and fly AC passengers around for at least 2+ years then why the hell should they even need to be interviewed again by the mother ship. Jazz has the same medical, Psyc evaluation etc that AC does. Prospective Jazz pilots even have the extra step of a sim eval, while AC doesn’t even give sim Evals.
Encore pilots don’t have to re-interview with mainline when their number is up-they just go on the 737 course. Many US CPA carriers also have guaranteed flow-no additional interview required.
It’s like AC is saying to Jazz pilots - you are good enough to fly our passengers around as an RJ captain but not good enough to start with us as a relief pilot? WTF
If they are really so concerned about the product Jazz is hiring then put someone from mainline HR on the Jazz interview panel.
Which US regionals are providing guaranteed flow to a mainline carrier without interview or conditions?
Also of note there aren't any US regionals hiring 250 hour pilots, they aren't even hiring pilots without an ATPL...
AC has different hiring methods and practises than Jazz because they are a different company.
If you prefer the Encore/Westjet model, I'm sure they're interviewing...
Envoy for example. Direct flow without interview to American.
Except...
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So similar to the WestJet/Encore scenario. Not AC/Jazz.
