Well it's still illegal. Just wait.
So much is going to change over the next decade and more. It was inevitable that the rules would be extremely strict at the beginning. I wager in a few years once it's legal and companies are free to test and do R&D, we will see big advancements in tech surrounding cannabis including roadside testing and better understanding of impairment.
How has this not yet happened in any other country yet? It's not like we're the first do leagalize it.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nationalpos ... dating/amp
https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/ca ... _2017E.pdf
There's a letter signed by TC Director General that explicitly states that consumption of marijuana invalidates your medical certificate. This is no different than many other drugs that you can't use on your days off and hold a medical.seven-oh-nooo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:58 amI'll tell ya what sucks: nobody has any answers. Transport hasn't publicly lifted a finger on offering any guidance at all for this, they best they'll commit to is 602.03 which is absolute fluff of the same type they write when they want to retain the ability to punish you whenever and however they like. "No person shall act as a crew member of an aircraft while using any drug that impairs the person’s faculties to the extent that the safety of the aircraft or of persons on board the aircraft is endangered in any way," will vary from person to person and the way by which it's measured can't be locked down. For all intents and purposes it's useless to all but a vindictive inspector.
Now on the other side you have a company trying to write a dope policy while Transport, who is supposed to be in charge and demonstrating leadership, telling them they're on their own. At some point in the not-too-distant future there will be headline news about someone in a trusted position showing up for work high or making a mistake and that coming out as a contributing factor. When that happens it's reasonable for me to expect a letter from our favourite regulatory spaceman demanding answers, even if it wasn't my pilot. Same thing happened when that Sunwing(?) pilot showed up for work drunk a while back, except that time there was actually a way that I could demonstrate company compliance with the law.
This is why in the next week or two as we see more and more pot policies published and shared here I expect the trend to be seen as harsh. If you don't like it, take it up with Transport.
You're correct, but if you can't "obtain" a medical, you can't renew it either.
Sorry, it's on my what's app. I can't get it on here. Here are some quotes.
Cannabis use may cause immediate impairment but also causes longer-lasting impairment that may not be obvious to the user or the people around them
There is scientific consensus regarding the long-lasting effects of cannabis on individuals, even after impairment is no longer felt. However, current tests for the psycho active chemical in cannabis do not correspond with impairment levels.
Impairment caused by cannabis is a serious issue for TC given its potential to threaten aviation safety.
Currently, the use of cannabis is a disqualifying factor for obtaining a medical certificate to fly or control aircraft (sic)
signed, Nicholas Robson, Director General and Fracois Collins, Associate Director General
I would have been more impressed with the letter if they had cited the scientific studies that they claim show consensus. It sounds like an unsupported appeal to authority that people are expected to take at face value without question.There is scientific consensus regarding the long-lasting effects of cannabis on individuals, even after impairment is no longer felt. However, current tests for the psycho active chemical in cannabis do not correspond with impairment levels.
Not disagreeing, there are burn outs...
However there are, and I know, numerous exceedingly smart, creative, top of their field, individuals who smoke marijuana - business leaders, professionals - certainly not the stereotype you cite... more accomplished and successful than the majority of pilots I know...
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But for how long? That's the real problem here and one nobody is committing to answer. The bottle of NyQuil in my medicine cabinet also invalidates my medical certificate, but not forever.
I also received the letter and have noted that it's been very carefully worded to really give no new answers. They give terms without definitions, specifically the word using comes up a lot. "Using" implies that it's being taken for its effects and 602.03 basically says pilots have to be sober which I think we all agree is a good thing. However there isn't even a hint of how long between use and when some high percentile of people will be sober again. You know, like with alcohol. That more than anything is the discrepancy that's causing all the headaches among the jerks who have airlines to run.
So now here I am, having to issue a directive. "Do what you want but be good to go at work" somehow satisfies 602.03 but leaves me responsible for someone else misjudging their own capacity and my friendly neighbourhood inspector has made direct threats to that effect, or I could say "The answer is no, absolutely not, not ever, not even once," when the CARS are standing behind their, "Just say 'Maybe.'"
Thanks for sharing, that was definitely worth a read and good to see the AC Unions are on the same page and confronting the company together.
APLA Canada has decided to side with the companies and support a total abstinence approach to the use of cannabisCanadianEh wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:26 amThanks for sharing, that was definitely worth a read and good to see the AC Unions are on the same page and confronting the company together.
Just got the communiqué too. It's not taking sides, it's just plain and obvious common sense. Well done ALPAav8ts wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:13 amAPLA Canada has decided to side with the companies and support a total abstinence approach to the use of cannabisCanadianEh wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:26 amThanks for sharing, that was definitely worth a read and good to see the AC Unions are on the same page and confronting the company together.
Dear fellow pilots,
With cannabis set to become legal this week, many questions have been raised regarding Transport Canada's position on the legalization with respect to airline pilots.
Late last week, Transport Canada shared a bulletin stating it "does not intend to ease restrictions on the use of cannabis or other substances that cause impairment."
ALPA supports a total abstinence approach to the use of cannabis. Cannabis impairment and usage are not well defined by the government, and a case could be made that there remains insufficient scientific research to determine definitive time limits with respect to the time between the last usage and operation of an aircraft.
According to the Occupational and Environmental Medical Association of Canada, there is still "considerable uncertainty around the extent and duration of impairment, especially taking into account individual differences between workers."
Because of this, we do not have confidence that ALPA would be able to adequately defend a pilot accused of cannabis impairment. As a final reminder, the use of cannabis is a disqualifying factor for obtaining a medical certificate to fly or control aircraft.
For more information, please see the attached documents provided by Transport Canada in both French and English.
If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out anytime.
Capt. Dan Adamus
ALPA Canada President
Not too thrilled.