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A320s

Post by chainsaw » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:08 am

Does anyone have any info or insight into how long the A320s are going to be staying at air canada for?

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Re: A320s

Post by RVR6000 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:23 am

At least till 2024 and beyond, some are fairly new.
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Re: A320s

Post by pianokeys » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:58 am

chainsaw wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:08 am
Does anyone have any info or insight into how long the A320s are going to be staying at air canada for?

Thanks
Worried you may have to fly the MAX? Me too. Bid to the C Series, that fixes all, and you still get a tray table.
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Re: A320s

Post by altiplano » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:28 pm

320's will be with us for a while yet... well past 2024 I'd suspect.

As mentioned there are newer ones still with us at Mainline, plus rouge got 5 new 321s just a few years ago, and the trend is upgauging regional routes to the LCC where they have unrestrained fleet growth opportunity.
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Re: A320s

Post by sportingrifle » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:15 am

The long term fleet plan is usually comprised of a "core" fleet that will stay around, and then a "if times stay good" fleet that will stay around if times stay good. It is also modified from time to time by who is in the upper management of flight ops and corner offices. Having said all that, I suspect that the newer 320's, and most of the 321's are in the "core fleet." In fact, much as they outlasted the EMB fleet, I wouldn't be totally surprised if they outlast the 737 fleet!
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Re: A320s

Post by chainsaw » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:57 am

Thanks for the info!
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Re: A320s

Post by Brize » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:36 am

pianokeys wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:58 am

Worried you may have to fly the MAX? Me too. Bid to the C Series, that fixes all, and you still get a tray table.
LOL... "C Series, that fixes all" ... I doubt that.
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Re: A320s

Post by CZBBYYZPilot » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:20 am

Air Canada purchases 4 WOW Air A321s.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... air-canada

According to Q3 report, Air Canada will retire 13 older A320s in 2019.
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Re: A320s

Post by yycflyguy » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:55 am

CZBBYYZPilot wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:20 am
Air Canada purchases 4 WOW Air A321s.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... air-canada

According to Q3 report, Air Canada will retire 13 older A320s in 2019.
AC is taking delivery of 18 more B737MAX8s in 2019 to double the fleet to 36.
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Re: A320s

Post by Lightchop » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:32 pm

yycflyguy wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:55 am
CZBBYYZPilot wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:20 am
Air Canada purchases 4 WOW Air A321s.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... air-canada

According to Q3 report, Air Canada will retire 13 older A320s in 2019.
AC is taking delivery of 18 more B737MAX8s in 2019 to double the fleet to 36.
Can't even fill their widebody FO seats, adding the A220 to the fleet next year and expanding the 737 fleet? My oh my where do they expect to find the pilots?
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Re: A320s

Post by C-GGGQ » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:52 pm

Hopefully they'll have to raise starting wages :lol:
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Re: A320s

Post by nightbird » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:17 pm

AC has no shortage of pilots, the issue with the wide body position is that pilots don't want to bid them so they'll simply go to new hires. With ground schools of 30 to 40 people running every three weeks and hundreds of resumes on file they have no problems filling the positions, the only difference is new hires will be awarded right seat 787 or 777 instead of 320.
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Re: A320s

Post by Lightchop » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:30 pm

nightbird wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:17 pm
AC has no shortage of pilots, the issue with the wide body position is that pilots don't want to bid them so they'll simply go to new hires. With ground schools of 30 to 40 people running every three weeks and hundreds of resumes on file they have no problems filling the positions, the only difference is new hires will be awarded right seat 787 or 777 instead of 320.
The majority of those applications are coming from the regionals. Mostly AC Express. Once AC hires all the OTS that exist, they will have no choice but to take basically anyone from Express that wants in and has the qualifications. Then what happens to the Express routes? It's not as simple as saying "AC has no issues finding pilots" because I agree with you, it's true. But eventually there will be a tipping point in Canadian aviation where the simple answer of "well AC has no problems" won't be enough.
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Re: A320s

Post by islandguy » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:48 pm

Lightchop wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:30 pm
The majority of those applications are coming from the regionals. Mostly AC Express. Once AC hires all the OTS that exist, they will have no choice but to take basically anyone from Express that wants in and has the qualifications. Then what happens to the Express routes? It's not as simple as saying "AC has no issues finding pilots" because I agree with you, it's true. But eventually there will be a tipping point in Canadian aviation where the simple answer of "well AC has no problems" won't be enough.
That's when they start taking them from Westjet, Encore, Sunwing, and Transat :)

Air Canada will have no issues filling these seats. There's no 'oh my god, they're going to have to pay pilots more!' on the horizon at their level, alas.
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Re: A320s

Post by Lightchop » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:16 pm

islandguy wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:48 pm
Lightchop wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:30 pm
The majority of those applications are coming from the regionals. Mostly AC Express. Once AC hires all the OTS that exist, they will have no choice but to take basically anyone from Express that wants in and has the qualifications. Then what happens to the Express routes? It's not as simple as saying "AC has no issues finding pilots" because I agree with you, it's true. But eventually there will be a tipping point in Canadian aviation where the simple answer of "well AC has no problems" won't be enough.
That's when they start taking them from Westjet, Encore, Sunwing, and Transat :)

Air Canada will have no issues filling these seats. There's no 'oh my god, they're going to have to pay pilots more!' on the horizon at their level, alas.

We shall see. They will find a lot less people applying to Express if they see no one getting hired...
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