Making it to AC within the next 3-4 years?

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Making it to AC within the next 3-4 years?

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What are forecasted hiring trends looking like? How long do we suspect this wave will last?
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faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:17 pmAnything can change between now and 4 years but AC is the goal. Yes, crappy pay to start but what the heck, it's AC. Can't beat red.
The problem with Canadian aviation summed up perfectly in one sentence.
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Yycjetdriver wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:11 pm The problem with Canadian aviation summed up perfectly in one sentence.
I agree. But what ya gonna do? It is what it is. Who wants to live in a sandbox? We live in the greatest country in the world. It has issues. It's not perfect. But it's home. That includes our aviation industry.

I'm taking a pay cut from my previous career but I'll tell ya what I am 100x much happier.
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faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:11 pm The problem with Canadian aviation summed up perfectly in one sentence.
I agree. But what ya gonna do? It is what it is. Who wants to live in a sandbox? We live in the greatest country in the world. It has issues. It's not perfect. But it's home. That includes our aviation industry.

I'm taking a pay cut from my previous career but I'll tell ya what I am 100x much happier.
I did find it funny that a FlyDubai FO is looking for ID travel agreements when they all rave about how much they are paid and great schedules... I would think they can just fly confirmed.
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Yycjetdriver wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:11 pm
faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:17 pmAnything can change between now and 4 years but AC is the goal. Yes, crappy pay to start but what the heck, it's AC. Can't beat red.
The problem with Canadian aviation summed up perfectly in one sentence.
Not just Canadian aviation imho - this is true for Aviation.

The best way to survive in this Business is to ensure you have the qualifications the market requires - you'll always have a job imho.

When times are bad you may need to move overseas where the jobs are - there may not be a choice. Sometimes you're the victim of circumstances/events beyond your control.

Not knocking Air Canada in any way - but understand that 10 years ago they were facing bankruptcy.

Anything is possible in this Business - there's no such thing as "Too Big to Fail" imho.
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Do you have a post secondary education?
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Daniel Cooper wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:06 pm Do you have a post secondary education?
Yup.
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Then get some 705 PIC time and you should be a shoe-in.
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Eric Janson wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:22 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:11 pm
faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:17 pmAnything can change between now and 4 years but AC is the goal. Yes, crappy pay to start but what the heck, it's AC. Can't beat red.
The problem with Canadian aviation summed up perfectly in one sentence.

Not knocking Air Canada in any way - but understand that 10 years ago they were facing bankruptcy.

Anything is possible in this Business - there's no such thing as "Too Big to Fail" imho.
Depends what you mean by fail. AC is just too big in Canada with too many flights for the government to let it shut down
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faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:17 pm Newly hired FO with a 705 carrier. I'm a career changer.

Anything can change between now and 4 years but AC is the goal. Yes, crappy pay to start but what the heck, it's AC. Can't beat red.

What are forecasted hiring trends looking like? How long do we suspect this wave will last?

Age 65 retirements finally started picking up this year, 100-150 retirements per year will continue for the forciable future.

Yes starting wages suck, but limited course rights has allowed high paying captain positions to go relatively junior (2-3 years) 1 Narrow Body captain course right for 4 separate separate positions (CS300/737/A320/L319)

The company is contemplating direct entry captains for the C-Series.
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faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:11 pm The problem with Canadian aviation summed up perfectly in one sentence.
? We live in the greatest country in the world. .
What makes it the greatest country in the world? You sound like an American
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Oxi wrote: I did find it funny that a FlyDubai FO is looking for ID travel agreements when they all rave about how much they are paid and great schedules... I would think they can just fly confirmed.
Everyone knows fly Dubai work you into the ground. You're home every day is the only benefit. 40 vacation days ain't bad either. Gotta wait 347 years here to get that. Where'd you get your info?
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faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:17 pm Newly hired FO with a 705 carrier. I'm a career changer.

Anything can change between now and 4 years but AC is the goal. Yes, crappy pay to start but what the heck, it's AC. Can't beat red.

What are forecasted hiring trends looking like? How long do we suspect this wave will last?
Just curious, who hired you? Porter?
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Air Canada has grown from under 2800 pilots in 2011 to over 4000 today.

The party will end at some point. This industry is manic. Either way up, or way down. Nothing in between.

Watched this cycle too many times.

When the party stops hiring will stop and retirement attrition will be used to pair down pilot numbers. While in this stage block hours will be cut by 15% or more. No one moves. Usually lasts 3-5 years.

Then when the pilot numbers are in balance again AC will wait too long to hire creating a massive backlog demand in training. Everyone will be working max hours or more. AC will never really catch up on the training demand before the next manic swing. This is where we are currently in the cycle.

Rinse wash repeat.

Since Bankruptcy protection we have a very large monthly blocking window. This window is good and bad. Good because it lets the company lower hours across the board and avoid furlough. Bad because people end up with blocks in the 60 hour range at times. That’s a 25% pay cut. Imagine being on flat pay, a 25% hour reduction and no bonus. It’s happened and will happen again.

In the mean time enjoy the manic high!!!!!!!
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You are guaranteed 75 hrs on flat pay FYI, no pay cut if you work less.
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RVR6000 wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:39 am The company is contemplating direct entry captains for the C-Series.
What - direct entry CA on mainline - didn`t think it was possible - how would this actually come to be
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Babar350 wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:54 am
faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:17 pm Newly hired FO with a 705 carrier. I'm a career changer.

Anything can change between now and 4 years but AC is the goal. Yes, crappy pay to start but what the heck, it's AC. Can't beat red.

What are forecasted hiring trends looking like? How long do we suspect this wave will last?
Just curious, who hired you? Porter?
Yep :)
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RRJetPilot wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:52 pm You are guaranteed 75 hrs on flat pay FYI, no pay cut if you work less.
Good to see something has improved for new hires. 85 paid hours to 75 paid hours is still 12% less tho. I remember flying with a guy on flat salary around 2010ish who told me his wife asked him why he took a part time job. :lol: We were all in the 60-68 hour range at the time.

Take a look at the fleet plan published in AC 2018 year end results. Growth is almost done. We are hiring this year as much as we are in part because we are waaaay behind on hiring. Hard for me to buy into the A220 direct entry captain rumours. Always possible I guess as a one off. Most of us don’t like the bottom spots especially narrow body.

2019 - 2020 the fleet grows by 3 fins. The amount of people currently in the training windmill will cover that.

We are about to move from growth and attrition hiring to a period of predominantly just attrition hiring. That is still about 150 a year. Just saying that if anything happens to reduce ticket demand after this year, hiring could come to a complete stop.
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RVR6000 wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:39 am
faculties11 wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:17 pm Newly hired FO with a 705 carrier. I'm a career changer.

Anything can change between now and 4 years but AC is the goal. Yes, crappy pay to start but what the heck, it's AC. Can't beat red.

What are forecasted hiring trends looking like? How long do we suspect this wave will last?

Age 65 retirements finally started picking up this year, 100-150 retirements per year will continue for the forciable future.

Yes starting wages suck, but limited course rights has allowed high paying captain positions to go relatively junior (2-3 years) 1 Narrow Body captain course right for 4 separate separate positions (CS300/737/A320/L319)

The company is contemplating direct entry captains for the C-Series.
where did you hear direct entry captains for C-series? and why would they do that? I know of a lot of people that are interested in bidding the c series. Many of which are quite senior.
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