AC offer AT $13 per share

[infiniteregulus]

It wasn't AT pilot's choice but it also wasn't AC pilot's choice either. If the AT guys get DOH, that makes YOU BOTL haha. Someone will be BOTL

[digits_]

Not sure what the problem would be with DOH. They are bringing their own planes with them are they not? How would DOH affect any AC pilot badly? I honestly don't see the problem...

[altiplano]

Not sure what the problem would be with DOH. They are bringing their own planes with them are they not? How would DOH affect any AC pilot badly? I honestly don't see the problem...

Many of the planes will never turn a wheel after the merger. 310s, 737s, possibly the 330-200s... gone.

Senior Transat guys, I see guys on that list hired 88, 89, 90... they should still hold 330CA and they will get a huge raise. But junior 330CAs, I understand some with less than 10 years seniority... no way they should get slotted into the seniority bracket to hold the 330 near the top of a merged list and stay on "their plane" it's not "their plane" - it's Calin Rovinescu's now... but even with seniority to hold 320CAs at AC for example, they will make a higher rate than they did at AT, so still a pay raise, but not the lottery.

I understand 320/330 dual typed at Transat anyway... we don't do that at AC.

This isn't anyone's fault, and everyone except the most senior from both companies will take something of a hit... I'm not happy about it, but no one asked me, and I won't hold it against my future coworkers from AT, but everyone has to be reasonable.

Some AT guys may be disappointed to lose some relative placement on the new list, but they are still the big winners here IMO, all will see a pay raise, more certainty/stability, and more flying options/opportunity... option to be admitted to a lifetime payout pension too.

Then we need to get united and go after the F__ks that did this merger and get all of our pay rates going in the right direction (US Legacy rates) because the AC contract will get opened up after this merger goes through. We need to be working together to lift all our futures.

[Stinky]

Good way to get rid of the competition, hire hundreds of type rated pilots in one shot and replace the Max's with Neo's.

[FL320]

It would be minimal for everybody hired at AC pre 2016. Everybody after will have 500 people slide ahead. Many who had to bite the bullet and go make penny’s at express to get to ac. So they should just slide in? The people who quit express to go to transat come out ahead, the ones who left transat for Ac get the bottom of the barrel. Of course senior guys don’t care, typical fashion of aviation the ones at the bottom just get to keep digging a deeper hole. Transat has been hiring 1000hr instructors, congratulations on winning the lotto

For the last 6 years I have trained many new pilots at Air Transat and I have never seen someone hired with only 1000 hours as instructor. People are coming with turboprop or jet time from Jazz, Westjet Encore, Porter, Air Inuit and Sky Regional . They all went through an interview process with HR and CP, psy exam on computer and a sim evaluation. Almost the same hiring process when I joined Jazz some years ago ''when I had to bite the bullet and go make penny’s at express to get to ac'' (who never called me for an interview).
Like at AC or any other airline we have some assholes, however the majority are very nice people; professional and dedicated. If the deal is approved, keep in mind that we didn't want to steal your job at AC; most of us really love our job at AT and wouldn't trade it for a job at AC. I agree AC will bring better benefits and a better hourly rate. However I am not quite sure we would be able anymore to hold a Captain position on the A330 after 5 years in, nor fly the B737 8 days per month and get 23 days OFF to make some overtime if desired.

[DanWEC]

That is an honest, fair, and factual post based in actual reality.

What's it doing on this forum?

[land3]

It will be BOTL. When Canadian merged with AC years ago they went BOTL. It sucks but ACPA has a obligation to its pilots. Research previous AC mergers of you dont believe me.

The merge with Canadian was BOTL? Is that what everyone thinks happened?

[Ah_yeah]

That is so NOT what happened. Nice try whoever posted that.

[pianokeys]

YEAH OKAY. No, AC got the shaft. Canadian guys got the consolation prize, the "sorry we bought out your mismanaged airline" prize of an extra few years.

Back in my ramp days I worked with a guy who claimed he had 40 years of seniority. That meant he started when he was 14.

[Habslover]

Excuse me, I am a little confused....why on god green eart would AT pilot go to AC and go BOTL???

I punch my time flying uh wide body tree turdy last 12 yr. You think Sr. Capitan is going to go backward and fly little bus?? I don’t think so my friends, Air Transat will merge and fair the better of the two company, AC pilot have sucked at the tit for far to long, time to share some of dis, no?

Our Union have been working hard for us, in case of this event. We have the greater toolbox. We will have the great seniority.

The sky is definitely blue today and I feel a strong wind from behind.

[mbav8r]

Excuse me, I am a little confused....why on god green eart would AT pilot go to AC and go BOTL???

I punch my time flying uh wide body tree turdy last 12 yr. You think Sr. Capitan is going to go backward and fly little bus?? I don’t think so my friends, Air Transat will merge and fair the better of the two company, AC pilot have sucked at the tit for far to long, time to share some of dis, no?

Our Union have been working hard for us, in case of this event. We have the greater toolbox. We will have the great seniority.

The sky is definitely blue today and I feel a strong wind from behind.

Pretty funny and also delusional, you will not be ALPA when the dust settles, first order of business for a merger of two unions is a vote for which union to represent you, who has the majority will win! How many AT pilots, how many AC pilots again?
The ACPA pilots were contemplating joining ALPA, ALPA merger policy between two ALPA carriers is DOH, ACPA seniority policy is one sentence(I’m given to understand), it states, merger will be BOTL. which way do you think the vote will go based on that.
That’s the reality, I wish it could be different but I seriously doubt anyone will support wide body Captains way out of seniority, and knowing how important seniority is to AC pilots(history), I have no reason to think this will be any different, looking forward to the “original Air Canada” pilot stickers coming out again.

[islandguy]

Excuse me, I am a little confused....why on god green eart would AT pilot go to AC and go BOTL???

I punch my time flying uh wide body tree turdy last 12 yr. You think Sr. Capitan is going to go backward and fly little bus?? I don’t think so my friends, Air Transat will merge and fair the better of the two company, AC pilot have sucked at the tit for far to long, time to share some of dis, no?

Our Union have been working hard for us, in case of this event. We have the greater toolbox. We will have the great seniority.

The sky is definitely blue today and I feel a strong wind from behind.

Should we read this in the form of a poetry slam, or something?

[Daniel Cooper]

During the Canadian merger there was a lot of strife over the fact that Canadian law didn't recognize DOH as the basis for seniority. There was a push to change the law after the fiasco of the merger. Does anyone know if the law was ever changed to recognize DOH, or if it's still the way it was back then?

What the law says is ultimately what form mergers take in Canada.

[Daniel Cooper]

you will not be ALPA when the dust settles

ACPA must be loving the timing of this buy out since it means there is no way AC pilots are going to vote for ALPA now. The conspiracy theorist in me can't help wonder if that was a small part of the reasoning for the company to jump on this deal. I suspect they'd much rather negotiate against ACPA.

[TFTMB heavy]

Excuse me, I am a little confused....why on god green eart would AT pilot go to AC and go BOTL???

I punch my time flying uh wide body tree turdy last 12 yr. You think Sr. Capitan is going to go backward and fly little bus?? I don’t think so my friends, Air Transat will merge and fair the better of the two company, AC pilot have sucked at the tit for far to long, time to share some of dis, no?

Our Union have been working hard for us, in case of this event. We have the greater toolbox. We will have the great seniority.

The sky is definitely blue today and I feel a strong wind from behind.

Pretty funny and also delusional, you will not be ALPA when the dust settles, first order of business for a merger of two unions is a vote for which union to represent you, who has the majority will win! How many AT pilots, how many AC pilots again?
The ACPA pilots were contemplating joining ALPA, ALPA merger policy between two ALPA carriers is DOH, ACPA seniority policy is one sentence(I’m given to understand), it states, merger will be BOTL. which way do you think the vote will go based on that.
That’s the reality, I wish it could be different but I seriously doubt anyone will support wide body Captains way out of seniority, and knowing how important seniority is to AC pilots(history), I have no reason to think this will be any different, looking forward to the “original Air Canada” pilot stickers coming out again.

Do not feed this troll. He/she does not work for Air Transat.

[C-GGGQ]

As someone with no skin in the game (other than picking airlines to apply to in 2-3 years time) I would put forward this. People are already bickering about botl or doh, but as some has pointed out the entire contract will be negotiated. Why not ditch seniority? Negotiate that. Yeah am I delusional? probably, do I know how to accomplish this? Nope. However, it has been said time and again seniority just shackles us to companies vs say nurses where seniority/ experience is industry wide not employer specific. Just a pipe dream I know, but if you're going back to the table anyway dream big. Lead the industry. Base it off log hours or something.

My 2¢

[fruitloops]

What's everyone's guess on the most likely direction or outcome of this merger if successful regarding the brand of AT.... keep the AT brand/image and just own/operate..... or ditch the Brand merge...replace by just AC..... or create new internal vacation brand like using AC Vacations .... or Rouge Vacations ? My guess is just replace w AC centralize everything... just wondering about other possibilities

[thesimplelife]

What's everyone's guess on the most likely direction or outcome of this merger if successful regarding the brand of AT.... keep the AT brand/image and just own/operate..... or ditch the Brand merge...replace by just AC..... or create new internal vacation brand like using AC Vacations .... or Rouge Vacations ? My guess is just replace w AC centralize everything... just wondering about other possibilities

I can see them dropping the Rouge brand and kee Air Transat. Lots of people I know hate when they buy a ticket on Air Canada and get "Rouged"... Many don't even understand the difference. Air Transat has pretty strong branding.

If it were my choice and it's not, I'd consider making AT the spin off vacation brand/LCC and only have Air Canada mainline as the other. Make it clear online that you are buying a ticket on Air Canada or Transat.

[Daniel Cooper]

Unfortunately executives are not in touch with reality and probably think people love Rouge.

[fruitloops]

If the wording in this message means anything Air Transat could remain its own brand/operation for the foreseeable future at least and no merge short term.

1. By connecting Transat to our own network
2. ....adding Transat services to our network would create new North American market opportunities

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