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Ray, should you be mixing NG problems with MAX problems on this thread? This news is a little more relevant.

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/boe ... all-maxes/

Boeing To Rewire All MAXes
Russ NilesMarch 15, 20206

The Seattle Times is reporting that Boeing will rewire the stabilator control systems and avionics bays of all 800 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft rather than battle the FAA for an exemption. During the post-grounding review of the aircraft, Boeing discovered that the wire bundle going to the motor that moves the stabilator didn’t have the required separation between low-voltage and high-voltage wires. The fear is that a so-called “hot short” in the higher voltage wire could send spurious signals to the motor over the low-voltage wires causing it to move the stabilator. It was subsequently discovered that noncompliant wiring was located in other areas of the aircraft.

Boeing argued that the same wiring setup is used on previous model 737s, which have amassed 205 million hours without any issues. The NG models were certified before the current wiring standards were mandated. The FAA set the new standards after wiring problems were cited in the loss of a TWA Boeing 747 and a Swissair MD-11 in the late 1990s and wants the new standards met. It issued a statement last week that Boeing “must demonstrate compliance with all certification standards.”

Boeing threw in the towel over the weekend and will start with the aircraft it has in storage in Seattle and Moses Lake, Washington. Those that have already been delivered may be fixed when they get their new flight control software and are being readied for their return to service. That might cause some delays because the wiring rerouting will take about five days per airplane. In addition to the work in the tail, avionics boxes and shelving under the cabin have to be removed at 10 to 12 locations. “We will cap and stow a wire and reroute a new wire separated from the power wire,” an unnamed source told the Times.

The FAA has not yet issued an AD for the fix but it will most likely give operators a period of time to comply. The Times says some airlines may insist the wiring be fixed before they fly the planes again.
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yycflyguy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:00 am Ray, should you be mixing NG problems with MAX problems on this thread? This news is a little more relevant.
Great article. Very relevant. Good catch.

Regarding non-Max issues, when I started this thread I was interested in the entire factors surrounding Boeing's history, management, strategy, government relations, and its responses to various issues that are essentially inseparable from one another. Not just the MAX. My previous thread on the MAX was moved into the General area, which is an area of this Forum that I don't monitor. Limited channel capacity here. So I started this thread to replace it.

As I see it, Boeing's future impacts Air Canada's future and necessarily Air Canada pilots' future.

Nevertheless, open to suggestions and criticism.
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From the Wall Street Journal:

Boeing Suspends Dividend to Save Cash Amid Coronavirus Crisis

CEO David Calhoun and Chairman Larry Kellner to forgo pay through end of 2020

“Boeing is drawing on all of its resources to sustain operations, support its workforce and customers, and maintain supply-chain continuity through the Covid-19 crisis and for the long term,” the company said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-to- ... lista_pos2
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From today's Washington Post:

Boeing backs out of Embraer merger

Boeing has terminated a long-planned $4.2 billion deal with the Brazilian aerospace manufacturer Embraer after negotiations broke down shortly before a Friday night deadline, the company announced Saturday.

The move comes as a global air travel shutdown caused by the coronavirus pandemic has left Boeing’s commercial aircraft division grasping for cash. And it shows how the economic crisis already is having long-term effects on the company’s global competitiveness.

“Embraer believes strongly that Boeing has wrongfully terminated the MTA, that it has manufactured false claims as a pretext to seek to avoid its commitments to close the transaction and pay Embraer the US$4.2 billion purchase price,” the statement reads. “We believe Boeing has engaged in a systematic pattern of delay and repeated violations of the MTA, because of its unwillingness to complete the transaction in light of its own financial condition and 737 MAX and other business and reputational problems.“

The move by Boeing puts an end to years of careful negotiations and regulatory approvals in both countries. The deal would have given Boeing an 80 percent controlling stake in Embraer and allowed it to take control of the company’s prized narrow-body commercial jetliners.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... er-merger/
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Not much surprise there.

Companies in this environment need to preserve any cash they have to see this through. There is no growth to be had anywhere...

Cheap fuel and an abundance of available airframes/slots on the market - with even more coming - and nobody needing them aren't overly conducive conditions to selling small narrowbodies.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyboga ... f36b46247f
Boeing will pay a termination fee of $75 million to Embraer.
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Gilles Hudicourt wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:27 am https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyboga ... f36b46247f
Boeing will pay a termination fee of $75 million to Embraer.
I would be surprised they “play nice” and pay 75 mil just like that with the cash crunch they are going through! M&A space in the last month has been brutal, ATD - Caltex, boeing - embraer, cine world - cineplex etc
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"The cheque is in the mail!"
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From today's New York Post:

Boeing faces criminal probe of 737 MAX assembly line

Federal prosecutors are reportedly probing potentially dangerous missteps in the production of Boeing’s 737 MAX jet, adding to intense scrutiny of the troubled planemaker.

Both the US Department of Justice and the Federal Aviation Administration are examining various safety problems on the 737 MAX assembly line, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. The report follows Boeing’s February admission that it found tools, rags and other debris in the fuel tanks of more than 30 737 MAX planes.

The appearance of debris can stem from “quality-control lapses” like those that have been flagged for prosecutors, according to the Journal.
The criminal and civil inquiries reportedly build on a grand jury probe of the plane’s problematic flight control systems. That investigation has focused on what Boeing staff told the FAA about dangers with the plane before it was involved in two crashes that killed 346 people.

Both the Justice Department and the FAA have interviewed Ed Pierson, a former Boeing manager who raised red flags to the company and the feds about safety problems at Boeing’s factory in Renton, Washington, according to the paper.

Pierson has also told the House Transportation Committee about how Boeing’s push to speed up production allegedly led to “chaos” at the factory. The committee and the Justice Department were “the only two entities which responded with any sense of alacrity or urgency,” Pierson’s attorney, Eric Havian, told the Journal.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/boeing-fa ... bly-line/
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From today's Washington Post:

Boeing plans to slash 10 percent of its workforce amid pandemic fallout, Max grounding
The aerospace giant was once a Wall Street darling. Twin forces continue to hammer the company’s bottom line.

Boeing said Wednesday it plans a 10 percent staff reduction — more than 14,000 jobs — as the continued grounding of its signature jet combined with a global halt in air travel sapped billions from its once-profitable commercial jet division.

The company, which reported a loss of $1.7 billion, employs more than 150,000 people globally and said it plans to cut approximately 10 percent of its total workforce. The report did not provide details on where those job cuts would come from or give a total number of jobs Boeing plans to cut, but the figure would equal more than 14,000 of its U.S. employees.

The 737 Max crisis amplified by the pandemic has cost Boeing, once a Wall Street favorite, a total of $5 billion, the company reported Wednesday.

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Boeing reported a quarterly loss of $1.7 billion in the first quarter of 2020. It reported first-quarter revenue of $16.9 billion, 26 percent lower than the previous year. The decline of Boeing’s commercial airplane division has been swift and dramatic. The company delivered 66 percent fewer airplane deliveries in three first quarters of 2020 compared to the same period last year.
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Boeing executives have estimated it will take two to three years for operations to return to normal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... grounding/
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Boeing CEO tells NBC that pandemic is ‘likely’ to put a major U.S. airline out of business

Boeing’s president and CEO, David Calhoun, acknowledged during an NBC News interview with “Today” host Savannah Guthrie that a major U.S. airline will “most likely” go out of business due to fallout from the coronavirus outbreak.

• In reply to a question from Guthrie, Calhoun said, “Something will happen when September comes around. Traffic levels will not be back to 100%. They won’t even be back to 25.”

• It might take until the end of the year for levels to approach 50%, “so there will definitely be adjustments that have to be made on the part of the airlines,” Calhoun said in an excerpt released today. The full interview is due to air Tuesday on “Today.”


https://www.geekwire.com/2020/boeing-ce ... business/A
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Boeing Orders Slip Below 5,000 On MAX Cancellations

Boeing Co. BA -2.76% said Tuesday that its jetliner order book slipped below 5,000 for the first time in seven years as customers canceled more deals for 737 MAX jets.

The aerospace giant scrubbed another 108 MAX jets from its backlog and downgraded the status of deals for another 101 planes because of airlines’ weakening financial health in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. It didn’t lose any deals for larger wide-body aircraft.

Boeing’s report came as Chief Executive David Calhoun painted a dire near-term outlook for the airline industry, saying growth wouldn’t likely return to 2019 levels for three to five years.

Mr. Calhoun told NBC’s “Today” show that passenger traffic won’t be up to 25% of pre-pandemic levels by September, possibly approaching 50% by the end of the year.

He predicted the collapse of air-travel demand would “most likely” force a major U.S. carrier to go out of business.



Boeing has shed more than 500 orders so far this year following the biggest spike in cancellations for decades, trimming its backlog to 4,834 jets compared with 5,049 at the end of March. Airbus secured deals for nine jets last month and has outstanding orders for around 7,500 aircraft.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-ord ... ow_a_pos1
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From today's New York Times:

F.A.A. Takes Step to Clearing Boeing 737 Max for Takeoff: Live Business Updates

Boeing’s beleaguered 737 Max could be in the air in a few months after the Federal Aviation Administration said on Tuesday that it was taking an important step forward in the complex process required to clear the plane for takeoff.

The regulator said that it was close to proposing design changes and crew procedures that would address its safety concerns. The public would have 45 days to comment on the proposed changes before the F.A.A. made its final decisions.

A number of hurdles remain before the agency lifts a March 2019 order that forced airlines to ground the plane after two fatal accidents in Indonesia and Ethiopia. But the F.A.A.’s decision to move ahead is nonetheless a big shot in the arm for Boeing, which has been devastated by the crisis surrounding the Max, one of its flagship jets, and the coronavirus pandemic.

The F.A.A. said it was still reviewing data collected during a series of critical test flights concluded early this month. It is also working on proposed pilot training requirements in coordination with regulators in Canada, Europe and Brazil.

Once those training requirements and the agency’s proposed design and crew changes are finished and additional documentation is reviewed and filed, the agency would rescind its grounding order.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/07/21 ... =Homepage
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Flying paying pax around by a Cdn operator? .. I'll place my chips on Feb.1
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'97 Tercel wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:39 pm Flying paying pax around by a Cdn operator? .. I'll place my chips on Feb.1
Or later. Given the current air travel climate, there is no urgent need. WJ/SW are still being paid damages by Boeing. Not sure about AC.

I could see US recertification by Dec 01. Canada will not rubber stamp anything from the FAA so add another 60-90 days. EASA looks like they will have additional requirements above the FAA (3rd AOA source).
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From today's Flight Global:

Boeing pushes to Q4 its expectation for resuming 737 Max deliveries

Boeing has pushed back its expectation of the 737 Max’s certification by one quarter, saying it now expects to resume 737 Max deliveries in the fourth quarter.

Previously, Boeing had expected certification would occur in time for it to resume 737 Max deliveries in the third quarter.

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On 21 July, the FAA said it will soon issue a proposed rule that would lift the Max grounding. Once published, the FAA will accept public comments about the rule for 45 days.


https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 36.article
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From today's Washington Post:

FAA proposes $1.25 million fine for Boeing, alleging managers pressured employees to rush inspections

The Federal Aviation Administration has proposed fining Boeing $1.25 million, alleging that senior managers at the company’s plant in South Carolina pressured employees to rush aircraft inspections and in at least one instance, retaliated against a worker who reported the harassment.

In a pair of letters sent to the company Wednesday, the FAA cited several incidents in which Boeing appeared to violate rules designed to insulate employees who conduct safety inspections on behalf of the agency from harassment and “undue pressure” from those outside their specialized unit. In addition, Boeing allowed managers who were not part of the Organization Designation Authorization unit to oversee the work of employees who were, another violation of the company’s agreement with the FAA, the agency said.

ODA is a system under which specially designated Boeing employees are responsible for performing certain functions on behalf of the FAA. Under the arrangement, those employees work independently of Boeing and the FAA has rules in place to shield them from potential conflicts of interest.

In one instance, the FAA alleges that between September 2018 and May 2019, members of the ODA unit were subjected to “undue pressure of interference” from at least four Boeing managers, including three who were not part of the ODA unit. One ODA unit member was pressured to inspect a plane, even though the aircraft had outstanding issues and was not ready. In other instances, the managers pushed ODA employees to rush inspections and to report aircraft ready for inspection faster. The FAA also alleged that managers berated the performance of some ODA employees, and threatened to have them replaced by other employees or other ODA teams.

Boeing has 30 days to respond to the FAA’s preliminary investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr ... Fstory-ans
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Air Canada among airlines told to remove 787 Dreamliner jets from service after Boeing finds manufacturing flaw.
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https://simpleflying.com/boeing-787-structural-worries/
“Boeing has instructed a number of airlines to immediately cease operating eight recently built Dreamliners amid concern over a manufacturing issue.
Overall, it seems that eight aircraft are affected, with all being immediately pulled from service. Affected airlines include United Airlines, Air Canada, and Singapore Airlines.”

There is no breakdown but a total of eight between three companies won’t affect anything, I’m sure there is a few replacement aircraft sitting around.
None the less, it will be cause for concern going forward. It seems quality control is particularly important with this type of material.
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mbav8r wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:35 am https://simpleflying.com/boeing-787-structural-worries/
“Boeing has instructed a number of airlines to immediately cease operating eight recently built Dreamliners amid concern over a manufacturing issue.
Overall, it seems that eight aircraft are affected, with all being immediately pulled from service. Affected airlines include United Airlines, Air Canada, and Singapore Airlines.”

There is no breakdown but a total of eight between three companies won’t affect anything, I’m sure there is a few replacement aircraft sitting around.
None the less, it will be cause for concern going forward. It seems quality control is particularly important with this type of material.
Personally I like seeing these type of actions. It means somebody's actually doing quality control and follow. THat they can narrow it down to just 8 aircraft out of 100's built actually is a little reassuring.
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