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79 Airplanes Retired

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All EMJ, 67 and 319 gone effective today.
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Re: 79 Airplanes Retired

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Will the express 175 replace the 190 operations ? knowing that they mostly go to the same places. With all these retiring aircrafts, is TRZ acquisition still a thing ?
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Nobody knows
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Doesn't look like it. Rouge will continue but with a narrow body fleet only.
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Dry Guy wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Doesn't look like it. Rouge will continue but with a narrow body fleet only.
A321neoLRs?
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FL320 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:40 pm
Dry Guy wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Doesn't look like it. Rouge will continue but with a narrow body fleet only.
A321neoLRs?
Yes looks like ACPA has already put a MOU to allow TRZ pilots to take over.
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aerodude wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:45 pm
FL320 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:40 pm
Dry Guy wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Doesn't look like it. Rouge will continue but with a narrow body fleet only.
A321neoLRs?
Yes looks like ACPA has already put a MOU to allow TRZ pilots to take over.
For express wages
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Re: 79 Airplanes Retired

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aerodude wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:45 pm
FL320 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:40 pm
Dry Guy wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Doesn't look like it. Rouge will continue but with a narrow body fleet only.
A321neoLRs?
Yes looks like ACPA has already put a MOU to allow TRZ pilots to take over.
On a side note, you AC pilots will love flying this brand new aircraft; very nice little bird.
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Re: 79 Airplanes Retired

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Did someone post that video by mistake?
I can smell someone being fired.. video not available any longer
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FL320 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:48 pm
aerodude wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:45 pm
FL320 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:40 pm


A321neoLRs?
Yes looks like ACPA has already put a MOU to allow TRZ pilots to take over.
On a side note, you AC pilots will love flying this brand new aircraft; very nice little bird.

They're pulling your chain. Transat wasn't mentioned at all or any of their aircraft types. They said 220's and MAX.
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How many furloughs does this mean or does it mean no more hiring for a while?

How many years on the pilot list will it go back?
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My guess is we will be between 3200-3400 size pilot group
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Squid wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:43 pm
My guess is we will be between 3200-3400 size pilot group
What DOH would a pilot with a seniority in the 3200-3400 range have?
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Squid wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:43 pm
My guess is we will be between 3200-3400 size pilot group
What is the pilot total now? 79 airplanes is a lot. I know some new ones are coming but this is really bad. Won’t be any hiring for a few years.
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Inverted2 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 10:27 pm
Squid wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:43 pm
My guess is we will be between 3200-3400 size pilot group
What is the pilot total now? 79 airplanes is a lot. I know some new ones are coming but this is really bad. Won’t be any hiring for a few years.
Won't expect a full recovery for at least 3 years.
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Based on this news, how much more downsizing can be expected at AC Express going forward?
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GoHomeLeg wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 7:52 pm
How many furloughs does this mean or does it mean no more hiring for a while?

How many years on the pilot list will it go back?
On the other side, no more excuses to not respect the new duty regs rapidly.
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Re: 79 Airplanes Retired

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Hilroy wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 4:53 am
GoHomeLeg wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 7:52 pm
How many furloughs does this mean or does it mean no more hiring for a while?

How many years on the pilot list will it go back?
On the other side, no more excuses to not respect the new duty regs rapidly.
I understand that most carriers have applied for and will receive an 18 month extension to bring in the new duty time regulations. That would make it 2022 at least before we see any changes.
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Which is stupid. In no time I will accept furlough while those measures aren’t in place. Now that the shortage is over for years, they need to apply the duty regs now.
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Hilroy wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 5:22 am
Which is stupid. In no time I will accept furlough while those measures aren’t in place. Now that the shortage is over for years, they need to apply the duty regs now.
I agree there is no logistical reason not to accept these rules. I would love to keep as many of us working as possible. It would obviously be granted for economic reasons to help a battered industry.

What's your plan for not accepting a furlough? What power to prevent this do you hold, maybe the rest of us can use it too?
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Inverted2 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 10:27 pm
Squid wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:43 pm
My guess is we will be between 3200-3400 size pilot group
What is the pilot total now? 79 airplanes is a lot. I know some new ones are coming but this is really bad. Won’t be any hiring for a few years.
4500. Keep in mind there has been early retirements. I could see the list ending around 35-3700. Doh 2018.
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Hilroy wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 5:22 am
Which is stupid. In no time I will accept furlough while those measures aren’t in place. Now that the shortage is over for years, they need to apply the duty regs now.
That's actually a great point. There is no way ACPA should agree with extending the Duty Reg timeline to save the Corp a few bucks. The savings would be miniscule.

It is, and always was a safety issue.
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Re: 79 Airplanes Retired

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By the way, yes it's 79 planes going out but.....

- EMB190 are all out at this time.(beginning of May)
- CEO said 319s and 767 will be out in time...... so not tomorrow not necessarily next week....but in time.....

Next equipment bid will surely reflect the removal of those 79 planes. Do not forget that 19-04 was showing a need of over 800 pilots. With the current announcement of laying off 600 pilots. You techically have slashed close to 1500 pilot positions on paper. Now to know what the value of each position has for the company.....that is the question!
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JoeyBarton wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 7:34 am
Inverted2 wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 10:27 pm
Squid wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:43 pm
My guess is we will be between 3200-3400 size pilot group
What is the pilot total now? 79 airplanes is a lot. I know some new ones are coming but this is really bad. Won’t be any hiring for a few years.
4500. Keep in mind there has been early retirements. I could see the list ending around 35-3700. Doh 2018.
Right now public information is net -41 aircraft. No timeline for fleet reductions other than -14 190’s immediately. +24 MAX and +14 220 during 2020. AC has removed forward looking fleet charts from the MD&A report (that includes Express).

WB fleet is operating bare minimum international with 4 777/ 4 330 on converted freight duty. Some 787 doing freight on non-converted basis as well. Forecast 150 flights per week. AC made it clear no interest in permanent cargo conversion aircraft or dedicated cargo fleet post-COVID.

Mainline WB to pick up Rouge WB international as Rouge 767’s parked.

Whatever all of that looks like in a reduction bid is anybody’s guess. I guess AC pilots will find out in next 24-48 hours.
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