Gulfstream5 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:46 pm
Monkey_in_a_suit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:14 pm
Cappo1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:29 pm
If you were a nice guy I might be sympathetic to your jeuevenile tantrums. When you find time away from your video games take a look at the situation in the EU. They have every right to reject the the proposal as it stands now. Europe is crumbling and no one wants to venture there. Canadian industries are being hit harder and households cannot afford the visit the folks in the old country. If AC leaves TS as a leisure airline it might work. You will be lucky to be back on board by 2023. No guarantees for you pal. Your airline is limping along. We can chop TS up anytime we want. We have the hulls and we really don't need to use the employees.
Cappo1 you realize you're not suppose to drink the Bong water
I can assure you that cappo's sink is far cleaner than whatever water source you and Fl320 use in the van you both have parked by the airport. Rumblings of AC taking only the fins are not just rumblings. TS Employees and mechanics aren't needed and will only be considered once all mainline employees have been recalled first. Let's think LOGIC. 2021 is just around the corner and decisions are on the horizon.
The EU does not want any potential competition that could hurt their already struggling airlines that they have just bailed out. Spending billions then giving the green light for us to merge ? Again. Logic speaks reason.
The EU could give a rats ass about a merger and how that affects recalls between ts and ac pilots.
What they care about are the business derivatives which impact their Industry, to which ac offered the required concessions.
As for whether ts pilots and mechanics will be needed or not and as for who gets recalled first, usually a pretty healthy fence is setup between the two companies to avoid exactly the sort of bs coming out of your doctrine.
This allows for a temporary lapse between the acquisition and the amalgamation of two employee groups.
Ac has already mandated to keep the air transat brand, which using your LOGIC, makes sense, as why would you dissolve a brand that you couldn’t kill? There’s a strong reason to acquire it, even during a pandemic. People prefer transat for one reason and another when it comes to their vacation travel. Call it bogus or not, but they do something right on a world scale to be the top in their game. So Ac wants that, and while they’re at it, also eliminates a direct competitor and brings it in-house.
Those fences would by default and LOGIC dictate that even if you merge a TS pilot onto the ACPA list, no TS pilot can bid into ac positions, and no ac pilot could bid into TS positions until the fences come down.
So as you said, LOGIC dictates that no TS pilot would be recalled ahead of an AC pilot, to an AC position, until fences come down. Which if labour stability is the name of Cr and Mr’s game for the last decade and a bit, they will maintain fences long enough until either a negotiated removal of the fence is in the best interest of everyone, or so far away that this conversation as a whole is pointless because there would be mass positions galore to run a system wide equipment bid without leaving a surplus.
All you ac guys don’t need to worry about who gets recalled first. What you need to worry about is if leisure springs back, you lost 1000 pre-fatigue rules positions in the acpa seniority list and those positions are going to a fenced transat you can’t bid into until a mass equipment bid is ran, which then also invites them haabs fans into your precious positions.
The actual impact of the “merger” won’t be felt until a systemwide equipment bid is ran, and if we are to respect no bump no flush, I guess a pretty junior 330 FO could maintain his position at TS if he doesn’t bid over to AC. Vice versa as well, a pretty junior 787 FO wouldn’t lose his position to a 330 FO at TS even if the TS fo is more senior, all thanks to how fencing works. There’s a reason they’re used.
This won’t be as bad as many juniors like gulfstream and cappo are scared of. Calm down guys, you’ll retire a 787/350 captain. This is jump a bump in the road. Likely the first one for you since having graduated Seneca 2-3 years ago, and having the career handed to you on a gold platter.
Learn from it so you can position yourselves better financially before the next down turn so you don’t need to come on here and argue amongst peasants and outing how poor you really are, which is hilarious and sad all at the same time, because you know, you’re an Air Canada pilot. Start acting with the leadership one expects out of the best pilots in the country. Like rudder.