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[vic777]

Does anybody know the name of a good webmaster?

[Disco Stu]

I just spoke with a YYZ vice-chair.

No "gag order". No recommendation either way. We'll see it tomorrow. All of it.

Call or email your reps. Educate yourselves.

The MEC had nothing to do with the forum being down.

[yycflyguy]

If the rumour are true it is an easy vote.

LCC at reduced wages on the same aircraft: NO
DC pension for new hires: NO
No pension indexing: NO
No settlement of outstanding profit sharing and Scope grievances: NO
Aircraft grouping and limited career advancements: NO
Wage increase not equivalent to pre-CCAA plus inflation adjustment: NO
Influencing the shut down of a private forum: NO
Allowing SkyRegional to start in violation of current contract: NO
Using non ACPA pilots at SkyRegional: NO
Executive compensation tied to EBITDAR: NO

Feel free to add to my list of reasons but there are 10 solid reasons to vote this POS down.

Don't forget, executive compensations and bonuses will be announced later this month. Unbelievable.

[yycflyguy]

I just spoke with a YYZ vice-chair.

No "gag order". No recommendation either way. We'll see it tomorrow. All of it.

Call or email your reps. Educate yourselves.

The MEC had nothing to do with the forum being down.

My call has been made and awaiting an explanation. Better be good.

[Rockie]

I lost all trust in ACPA's leadership years ago because not only are they running a myopic, short-sighted and incompetent union, but they are actively working against the long term interests of the pilot group.

Hopefully more people are beginning to see the light.

[Lost in Saigon]

I just spoke to Paul Howard (Communications Director for ACPA), he says that the "acpilotsforum.ca" shutdown has nothing to do with ACPA.

He also added that ACPA will be issuing the weekly newsletter today (one day early) because of a recent TA development. The newsletter will also confirm that ACPA had nothing to do with the "acpilotsforum.ca" being offline.

[Rockie]

The newsletter will also confirm that ACPA had nothing to do with the "acpilotsforum.ca" being offline.

That may in fact be true, but the union cannot be expected to say anything else no matter what. Admitting control over that site would leave ACPA open for all kinds of litigation considering the vile personal attacks on members that are permitted there.

[Lost in Saigon]

I just spoke with a YYZ vice-chair.

No "gag order". No recommendation either way. We'll see it tomorrow. All of it.

Call or email your reps. Educate yourselves.

The MEC had nothing to do with the forum being down.

If the MEC can not approve the TA, it MUST go back to the negotiations table. Is that not how it is supposed to work?

[duckedy]

and ACPA would tell you otherwise??

[morefun]

Let’s get real , the fact they are putting it to a membership vote means they like it and are in fact recommending acceptance.

[yycflyguy]

I just spoke with a YYZ vice-chair.

No "gag order". No recommendation either way. We'll see it tomorrow. All of it.

Call or email your reps. Educate yourselves.

The MEC had nothing to do with the forum being down.

If the MEC can not approve the TA, it MUST go back to the negotiations table. Is that not how it is supposed to work?

Not true. The MEC can put it to a membership ratification vote with a recommendation, no recommendation or a neutral position. My guess is that the MEC vote was split 3-3 (will the voting become transparent?) hence the neutral position. Pretty scary that it has progressed to this point.

[Fanblade]

Respectfully I think you guys are reading too much into this decision not to recommend the TA one way or the other.

The fact that it is going to the membership means a majority on the MEC voted for it.

The fact that there is not a recommendation one way or the other from the MEC, only means we get to decide. I am told there has been criticism of ACPA in the past for what was felt as a sales job during ratifications? So are we getting what you asked for?

The fact that the MEC will remain silent on recommending the TA, or not, does not preclude individual MEC members from expressing their personal opinion. It is just the MEC's collective voice that is silent. Freeing up individual members to speak their mind.

So whats the problem? Seems reasonable to me. Sounds like we are going to get the good, bad and ugly.

[machaltstar]

wrt the unofficial ACPA forum being shut down, i've always beens a skeptic as to who was running it. anyone putting there name up to run private forum shouldn't be afraid to do so. Who was stopping anyone from obtaining a company seniority list with our names and employee numbers on it and creating there own private forum? who truly know who was running that forum? it could have been management themselves, or maybe someone on the negots committee, or how about someone on the "yes" side of the house? I don't believe the MEC had anything to do with it, but someone certainly did. I'm hoping that that alone will get 1100 plus guaranteed no votes on principle alone. I've spoken with my LEC reps, and this whole thing stinks.

[Brick Head]

Does anybody know the name of a good webmaster?

machaltstar,

You of course have a point. However the original forum was closed over litigation directed at ACPA by the fly past 60 camp. It included naming the individual forum moderators.

With that in mind only an idiot would create a new forum without masking their identity. It would make you a target.

Now look at vic777's post. He might be genuinely interested for the purpose of joining. He may also have an ulterior motive behind the question.

As long as the fly past 60 stuff is still going on? I doubt we will see an official ACPA forum. It will be an unknown moderator or none at all.

[Rockie]

As long as the fly past 60 stuff is still going on? I doubt we will see an official ACPA forum.

If ACPA did its job and moderated the forum properly they would have nothing to worry about wrt litigation. Closing it was a copout that also served to further isolate themselves from the membership and avoid uncomfortable questions.

[Disco Stu]

Let’s get real , the fact they are putting it to a membership vote means they like it and are in fact recommending acceptance.

Not true. Make a phone call or send an email.

[Disco Stu]

My guess is that the MEC vote was split 3-3 (will the voting become transparent?) hence the neutral position.

Try unanimous.

[Disco Stu]

I just spoke with a YYZ vice-chair.

No "gag order". No recommendation either way. We'll see it tomorrow. All of it.

Call or email your reps. Educate yourselves.

The MEC had nothing to do with the forum being down.

If the MEC can not approve the TA, it MUST go back to the negotiations table. Is that not how it is supposed to work?

They can send it to the membership for ratification with no recommendation attached.

[Stu Pidasso]

I could be wrong, but I highly suspect the vote was split and the Chair did not want to be the deciding vote. The compromise was to put it in the hands of the membership.

On the forum, there is no one that could moderated this group, it is beyond hope. Some very good people have tried.

[Disco Stu]

I could be wrong, but I highly suspect the vote was split and the Chair did not want to be the deciding vote.

You are wrong.

Guys, how about instead of spreading bullshit rumours, you make a phone call or send an email and get the FACTS.

It isn't hard. I emailed all the YYZ LEC members this morning, and withing 2 hours had 3 email replies and one phone call reply.