AVCANADA

The best way to make more money seems to be by having a Southwest/Westjet model of airline. Southwest pilots are some of the best paid pilots in the world for the equipment they fly. A 12-year 737 captain at Southwest gets paid about $50 an hour more than an American Airline 737 captain. It all comes down to having good management, a solid business plan and a strong corporate culture

It would be interesting to see/hear what the CEO and his/her senior executive team compensation package would be with the successful business model at Southwest against the same for the not so successful model at Air Canada. I understand the top echelon at AC are very well compensated

Flying a single type will always be far cheaper than running a big hub-and-spoke, but limits the size of your network.

So you have to ask, would rather have a few highly paid jobs at a small airline or a lot of decent paid jobs at a large airline.

Southwest has a fleet of over 500 aircraft, I don't consider that small. Westjet has nearly 100 with more on the order books.


The vision that I see for Air Canada is competing in the premium traffic market. There are lots of Americans who travel through YYZ because of the premium class product that Air Canada offers vs. the U.S. carriers. Trying to introduce a low cost carrier will not work (like the last 2 times they tried) because structurally does not make sense. Why would they even try to compete in a market with such razor thin margins anyway? It seems like an attempt just to try and lower the bar on wages to "be competitive", it will never work.

Southwest has a fleet of over 500 aircraft, I don't consider that small. Westjet has nearly 100 with more on the order books.

The Canadian market isn't big enough to support a boutique airline that has 26,000 employees.

From what I hear and with past experience, Air Canada provides top notch first rate service on it's international routes and it's market share is/will be solid in this particular segment.

Canada Eh,

Why are you so interested in the internal business of Air Canada , other than being a troll.

Worry about your own house.

First , ....

I know the truth hurts sometimes.

(2) In making the selection of a final offer, the arbitrator is to be guided by the need for terms and conditions of employment that are consistent with those in comparable airlines and that will provide the necessary degree of flexibility to ensure the short- and long-term economic viability and competitiveness of Air Canada and the sustainability of its pension plan.

The government has tabled back to work legislation forbidding a work stoppage at Air Canada and imposing binding arbitration. Given that the government and Air Canada are reading off the same script in the media which side do you think will come out ahead?

There is nothing we can do about it either because the government has included this clause:


"Proceedings prohibited


30. No order is to be made, no process is to be entered into and no proceeding is to be taken in court


(a) to question the appointment of the arbitrator; or


(b) to review, prohibit or restrain any proceeding or decision of the arbitrator."


We are rapidly turning into an African dictatorship.

11. The Minister must appoint as arbitrator for final offer selection a person that the Minister considers appropriate.

Guiding principle

(2) In making the selection of a final offer, the arbitrator is to take into account the tentative agreement reached by the employer and the union on February 10, 2012 and the report of the conciliation commissioner dated February 22, 2012 that was released to the parties, and is to be guided by the need for terms and conditions of employment that are consistent with those in other airlines and that will provide the necessary degree of flexibility to ensure


(a) the short- and long-term economic viabil-ity and competitiveness of the employer; and


(b) the sustainability of the employer’s pension plan, taking into account any short-term funding pressures on the employer.

Now that Lisa Raitt and the Federal Conservative Government has dealt CR two aces from the bottom of the deck, who believes that AC will want to resume bargaining?

This is Final Offer Arbitration. The object here, I believe, is to keep everyone honest and to remember not to get greedy. Pie-in-the-sky demands on the unions part or ridiculous low ball offers from the company can hand the ball to other team...for keeps. No cherry picking allowed on the Arbitrators part....just one side OR the other.

Now that Lisa Raitt and the Federal Conservative Government has dealt CR two aces from the bottom of the deck, who believes that AC will want to resume bargaining?

Air Canada Pilots still hold the trump card.?

The pilots have always have always held the trump card but are too afraid of the boogeyman to use it. Last time I checked neither The Rat or the Colon can fly an airplane.

Hopefully the new MEC chairman still has the fortitude he displayed back in the late 90's.

Good Luck