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I heard from an AC pilot the other day, that the embraers are loosing quite a bit of money for the company (with the 175 only breaking even with a full load). This could pose problems for AC because they own 60 of them, any news or speculations on what will happen with the e-jets?
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Oh... I am sure they will end up somewhere.
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I heard the jungle jets arent maintenance friendly too and not enough space in cargo hold
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If that were the case, it would contradict their popularity throughout North America.

Nothing will ever be perfect.

It's looking like ACPA will not be operating them much longer though.
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vortac wrote:If that were the case, it would contradict their popularity throughout North America.

Nothing will ever be perfect.

It's looking like ACPA will not be operating them much longer though.
On a CCAA filing ACPA may lose them. The free-for-all would drive the wage to the cellar. As I said in another thread, 23k for an FO is what my guess would be given that Continental Express was paying just shy of 18K for new hire ERJ FO's.
I don't wish any pilot body harm, but the notion that ALPA's bargaining power will keep Jazz wages for the EMJ is wishful thinking. The CEO du jour at AC will offer it to the lowest bidder. I don't think ACPA will give them away contrary to popular thought on the web. CCAA ? everybody loses.
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Jazz will never operate emj. as we have already seen, we cannot compete with the pay structure, and jr staff pay levels at skyregional. IF they leave AC my guess is that they are going to sky regional or a brand new start up operation.
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Seriously folks, if thees machines leave AC and whomever is opperating them is offering US wages, it's time to sign on with the college of pilots, and protect ourselves from ourselves.
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Ah_yeah wrote:
vortac wrote:If that were the case, it would contradict their popularity throughout North America.

Nothing will ever be perfect.

It's looking like ACPA will not be operating them much longer though.
On a CCAA filing ACPA may lose them. The free-for-all would drive the wage to the cellar. As I said in another thread, 23k for an FO is what my guess would be given that Continental Express was paying just shy of 18K for new hire ERJ FO's.
I don't wish any pilot body harm, but the notion that ALPA's bargaining power will keep Jazz wages for the EMJ is wishful thinking. The CEO du jour at AC will offer it to the lowest bidder. I don't think ACPA will give them away contrary to popular thought on the web. CCAA ? everybody loses.
Of course the ruling pilot mentality du jour says we need to be fully engaged in a brilliant program of driving the customer base as far away as possible, as in last weekend, fittingly on the Hundredth Anniversary of the Titanic. All together now, everybody grab a bowling ball and go over the side.

That monumental exercise in rocket science was prefaced by blowing a massive wad on our trans-continental Ad program screaming that the CEO earned a 5 mil retention bonus. Well hello, that's roughly $55 per employee per year, for steering everybody through CCAA and a subsequently similar 2009 brush with CCAA 2 certain death, and to come out the other side not Googling the job market.

Of course from a cheap-ass pilot's way of thinking, 55 bucks is a King's ransom, and certainly not worth keeping a job. The problem with our basic math skills is when we see a 5 mil figure flashed on the screen, the knee-jerk hammer fires a little volt through our cross-wired spines that makes it seem like it's 5 mil for each person, making us go all slathering cross-eyed. Tap the left knee and the right leg goes ka-boing. We're strung like a cheap toaster, spring-loaded to blowing our feet off.

That's just one tiny little example of why we'll simply never amount to anything when we can't even put basics into perspective. We should see if we can keep on being this certifiably insane right up to the point where AC sells the B787 delivery option slots to WestJet, because there are not enough customers left to keep that kind of iron in the house.

When your own customers are literally spitting in your face in Toronto terminal as in a couple of weeks ago, that's a pretty good signal that the EMJ's are the very least of your worries.
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I see a line-up of college kids drooling to fly those machines for 17K a year.
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Why dont the unions push for the clawback??????
It seems like it would be a reasonable demand

Executive Compensation Clawback
On March 30, 2011, the Board of Directors adopted an executive clawback compensation policy concerning awards
made after December 31, 2010 under Air Canada's annual and long-term incentive plans. Under this policy, which
applies to all executives, the Board of Directors may, in its sole discretion, to the full extent permitted by governing
laws and to the extent it determines that it is in the best interests of Air Canada to do so, require reimbursement of
all or a portion of annual or long term incentive compensation received by an executive. The Board of Directors may
seek reimbursement of full or partial compensation from an executive or former executive officer in situations
where:
a) the amount of a bonus or incentive compensation was calculated based upon, or contingent on, the
achievement of certain financial results that were subsequently the subject of or affected by a
restatement of all or a portion of Air Canada's financial statements;
b) the executive officer engaged in gross negligence, intentional misconduct or fraud that caused or
partially caused the need for the restatement; and
c) the amount of the bonus or incentive compensation that would have been awarded to or the profit
realized by the executive officer had the financial results been properly reported would have been
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accumulous wrote:That monumental exercise in rocket science was prefaced by blowing a massive wad on our trans-continental Ad program screaming that the CEO earned a 5 mil retention bonus. Well hello, that's roughly $55 per employee per year, for steering everybody through CCAA and a subsequently similar 2009 brush with CCAA 2 certain death, and to come out the other side not Googling the job market.
So you're saying that he deserves a $5 million dollar bonus for very nearly putting the company out of business? By that logic, we should give an award for excellence in driving to a bus driver who put a bus full of kids on the edge of a cliff just because he didn't go the extra few inches over the edge. A CEO should be rewarded for superb performance, not for just barely staving off complete failure.
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Diadem wrote:
accumulous wrote:That monumental exercise in rocket science was prefaced by blowing a massive wad on our trans-continental Ad program screaming that the CEO earned a 5 mil retention bonus. Well hello, that's roughly $55 per employee per year, for steering everybody through CCAA and a subsequently similar 2009 brush with CCAA 2 certain death, and to come out the other side not Googling the job market.
So you're saying that he deserves a $5 million dollar bonus for very nearly putting the company out of business? By that logic, we should give an award for excellence in driving to a bus driver who put a bus full of kids on the edge of a cliff just because he didn't go the extra few inches over the edge. A CEO should be rewarded for superb performance, not for just barely staving off complete failure.
Close doesn't count. The Airline is IN business. Forget the 5 mil. Each employee's share was $55 per year of the bonus. The Execs steer you through BANKRUPTCY and you come out the other end gainfully employed, and 55 bucks a year was too much? Just book off sick and leave a family standing in the terminal with a handful of hockey tickets? Leave customers stranded somewhere in the USA? Leave people trying to get to family business waiting 12 hours in a holding room or cancelled altogether? The Court of Public Opinion is over on the other side of the Terminal buying tickets on WestJet.

And the Airline management did nothing? The Airline is still here in spite of juvenile events like the events of last weekend.

Air Canada has not had great performance? No effort has been put into making a fine airline? Wondering why heads will surely roll the next time, if not this time, a group of recalcitrant employees sets out to scuttle the ship??

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Air Canada named “Best Airline to Canada” by the readers of Business Traveler magazine for the sixth consecutive year
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Air Canada selected “Best Long-haul Business Class Carrier in the Americas” in the 1996 Independent World Business Class Survey commissioned and conducted by the U.K.-based Inflight Research Services

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Winning awards is wonderful, but the only thing that matters in business is making a profit. When was the last time Air Canada did that? In any other industry, CR would have been tanked years ago, first for losing money, then for losing money so consistently and to such an exorbitant extent that the company was on the verge of defaulting on its debts. That's not success, by any definition, and yet he's been rewarded with a huge bonus. The pilots still have jobs, so they should be down on their knees worshipping the ground on which he walks? How much better off would they be if the company were actually PROFITABLE? It's not a matter of how much worse the situation could have been with someone else at the helm, it's a matter of CR not getting AC back to solvency and making money, which is what he's been paid to do for a decade. If a pilot cancelled every flight he was scheduled to fly, would you endorse giving him a bonus because he actually did one of those trips? Of course not. Employees are rewarded for overall excellence, not for the one time they didn't make things worse.
It's also interesting that the list of awards you posted goes back eight years before CR started in any capacity at AC, so should you really be giving him credit for making it a great airline? All he did was step into a company that was already receiving accolades.
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HighT5 wrote:I see a line-up of college kids drooling to fly those machines for 17K a year.
17k? That's too much. Don't you mean free?
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The issue isn't the $55 per person it's the $5 million given to 1 while 1000s are being told they need to take a pay cut.

As for EMJ pay at other airlines I don't see US regional wages anytime soon, especially at Jazz. Skyregional wages would be less than us but not $17Gs.
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You brag about those awards like an 8 year old brags about winning a hockey award for best improved skater! Try winning an award like an Olympic athlete and bring home some gold!
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teacher wrote:The issue isn't the $55 per person it's the $5 million given to 1 while 1000s are being told they need to take a pay cut.

As for EMJ pay at other airlines I don't see US regional wages anytime soon, especially at Jazz. Skyregional wages would be less than us but not $17Gs.
Actually no, there's that spinal tic again. The issue is what did it cost each individual in terms of the retention fee to remain employed during and after bankruptcy.

The retention fee cost $166 over the 3 year term. We specifically paid what, 25 grand, 50 grand? for national advertising complaining about an individual fee of $166. Math never was our strong suit.

Over the same 3 year term it cost what, $6000 per person in Union Dues?

A. $166 gets an individual the continuation of a career.

B. Thirty-six times that fee in union dues gets you Final Offer Selection.

Now which one was the better deal?
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I don't think you got my Post. What i meaned to say is that the anger is not based on the money but the principle of inequality between management and employees.

Edited for poor grammar since i used a smart phone to post on Avcanada :roll: darn small screens!
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The metrics for the 175 have always been marginal at AC. They were a result of arbitration with Jazz. As a result of fuel price the Q400 kills just about everything around 70-80 seats and under an hour.

I expect to see more Q400s and 705's at the regionals.

The 175/crj100/200 disappear

It looks like AC is looking for a contract comparable to Delta/UA

A lot more CPA asm,s 75-80 seats and below. Multiple CPA players. A CCAA filing, yes I think it likely, will accelerate the change.
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Brick Head wrote:The metrics for the 175 have always been marginal at AC. They were a result of arbitration with Jazz.
That was courtesy of Teplitsky and ACPA. ACPA wanted all of the jets over 50 seats and Teplitsky insisted on splitting the AC order for 30 CRJ705's between ALPA/Jazz and ACPA/AC. He offered Milton the opportunity to substitute 15 175's if he cancelled 15 CRJ705 orders.
A CCAA filing, yes I think it likely, will accelerate the change.
AC won't need CCAA to get the change. CR will get a new scope line courtesy of the FOS arbitration provided he does not over reach in the corporate submission.
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