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AC will probably get most of what it wants in arbitration and it will still not be enough. Looks like ACPA, the retirees, and every other union will be asked to support yet another pension funding moratorium that may last into the next decade.

I hope you all take a couple minutes to read the 17 page report, piche says a couple times that the decision is based on the limitations of the bill and not normal for this type of arbitrator. He mentions that usualy the ability to pay is not a concideration, however it is in this case. The arbitrator has no choice but to side with the company, or all they have to argue is that the company can not comply and continue to operate under the award, making the judgement illegal. It was made to look like a fair shake but it can only go one way. We will get the same thing, the company's approval is required. I am very concerned about the 10 year releif of pension requirements. A 5 year deal with a 10 year pension releif means we will be fighting this same fight in 5 years and a bill requiring the company to get their way.

I wish they had at least been honest and just F^@%ed us hard, given us a kiss on the cheek on the way out the door. This just wasted our time.

Union negotiations have just evolved in Canada. They are a public relations fight and negotiation with the company is a waste of time. We should focus on public opinion.

Please phone/email your mp and tell him/her how upset you are with this award, as well as the rail, and canada post. I have received a letter in return for every letter I have sent.

Rockie,

What we don't need are pilots claiming that they know how to run an airline.

Vote with your feet, Doc!

This company could care less if you quit, I quit, we all quit, there is plenty of work around for both of our groups. The Office Monkeys can Fly and Fix the Airplanes.

Rockie,

What we don't need are pilots claiming that they know how to run an airline. The days of MacGregor and McConachie are gone.

Fact is that AC had $600M in the bank in 2009 and now has $2.2B. Our costs have been slashed yet I am making more money today than I was then even though I haven't moved anywhere. We're adding more revenue with slight increases to capacity. We keep winning awards and getting good survey results.

The biggest problem we have is that ACPA hasn't figured out that they have lost the "war" they started last summer. Now that their retreat has begun the finger-pointing will pre-occupy their remaining days in power and no work will get done.

Hopefully, the new COO replacing Dee, will be more of an operational type maybe even with some charisma. The CEO on the otherhand needs to be tough, shrewd and know how to run the Corporation. Like him or not, he is smart.

Unfortunately at 51 I am a whore to my pension, but had i been late 30's or early 40, it would be the big C YA!