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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by CatInTheHat » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:43 am

Twotter77 wrote:
I received an email about the Nov 12 groundschool that they might be calling this week.
Hey Twotter,

Do you mean you were invited to the groundschool? Or they sent you an email telling you that you "might" get a call?

Any news since?
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by gonefishin' » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:52 am

hey BC... read LOU 74.20

pretty black and white

L74.20 Pay Rates
CA B767 CA A319 FO B767 FO A319
1 $118.47 $129.98 $46.94 $46.94
2 $125.70 $134.42 $51.82 $51.82
3 $133.02 $138.80 $59.64 $59.64
4 $140.40 $143.05 $67.45 $67.45
5 $147.70 $147.42 $94.60 $90.50
6 $154.98 $151.94 $100.70 $94.65
7 $162.35 $158.06 $105.50 $98.00
8 $169.58 $164.12 $111.95 $99.05
9 $176.91 $170.32 $116.80 $99.05
10 $182.30 $176.35 $116.80 $99.05
11 $182.30 $177.40 $116.80 $99.05
12 $182.30 $178.52 $116.80 $99.05

L74.20.01 Annual Wage Increases
L74.20.01.01

The rates in L74.20 will be increased according to the following:
Effective Date Increase
August 1, 2013 3%
August 1, 2014 2%
August 1, 2015 2%
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by gasbag » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:27 pm

Back to the topic, with the arrival of the 787's there will be a requirement for additional bodies to cover all the other positions below that type. They will have to be in place and ready to go, prior to the first delivery. The moving of 767's to LCC will take a similar uptake to be in place, prior to their arrival.

As any one knows here we are not carrying any surplus pilots, but there will be a pool of pilots created with the EMB 175's leaving the fleet. However that group alone will not be adequate for the requirement next year. IMHO
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by bcflyer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:08 pm

gonefishin' wrote:hey BC... read LOU 74.20

pretty black and white

L74.20 Pay Rates
CA B767 CA A319 FO B767 FO A319
1 $118.47 $129.98 $46.94 $46.94
2 $125.70 $134.42 $51.82 $51.82
3 $133.02 $138.80 $59.64 $59.64
4 $140.40 $143.05 $67.45 $67.45
5 $147.70 $147.42 $94.60 $90.50
6 $154.98 $151.94 $100.70 $94.65
7 $162.35 $158.06 $105.50 $98.00
8 $169.58 $164.12 $111.95 $99.05
9 $176.91 $170.32 $116.80 $99.05
10 $182.30 $176.35 $116.80 $99.05
11 $182.30 $177.40 $116.80 $99.05
12 $182.30 $178.52 $116.80 $99.05

L74.20.01 Annual Wage Increases
L74.20.01.01

The rates in L74.20 will be increased according to the following:
Effective Date Increase
August 1, 2013 3%
August 1, 2014 2%
August 1, 2015 2%
Hey Gonefishin. Have a read of 12.03.01. Pretty black and white. The published rates for a mainline F/O in their first 4 years are exactly the same as what you just posted for LCC. Not sure why you feel that an F/O in their first 4 years will make make less at LCC....
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by bcflyer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:12 pm

ZBBYLW wrote:
bcflyer wrote:
gonefishin' wrote:nada.
LCC is lower... subject to annual raises as per AC
Y1 $46.94
Y2 $51.82
Y3 $59.64
Y4 $67.45

That is incorrect. The rates are the same for the first four years both at Mainline AND LCC. There is no difference in pay for the first four years.
Not sure if you work at AC or not, but if you have access to the contract give it a read. If you start off at the LCC those rates seem to be similar to what I read they were when I read through the contract. As far as I know (without reconfirming with the contract) those rates are in fact correct. Now if you getting hired to mainline and get "forced reduced" into the LCC that changes things.
I do work at AC and I have read the contract. The flat rate for F/O's in their first 4 years is the same at mainline as it is at LCC.. Section 12.03.01 for mainline and LOU 74 as posted above for LCC. The rates for an F/O in their first 4yrs are identical.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by TheStig » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:46 am

You're all (kind of) right. As per Section 12.03.01 the 4 four year fixed rate was:
Y1 $46.94
Y2 $51.82
Y3 $59.64
Y4 $67.45

Now multiple those figures by the 2% raise for 2011 and the 5% raise for 2012 and you get:
Y1 50.27
Y2 55.50
Y3 63.87
Y4 72.24

Therefore, the rate is the same for the first 4 years at the LCC and Mainline.


Hope that helps.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by ZBBYLW » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:03 am

The 2% raise for the LCC does not come into effect until 2013.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by DBC » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:10 am

ZBBYLW wrote:The 2% raise for the LCC does not come into effect until 2013.
I can confirm this, Page 38 or the Final Appendix Page of the Company Webcast, or LOU 74 I believe.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by TheStig » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:04 am

DBC wrote:
ZBBYLW wrote:The 2% raise for the LCC does not come into effect until 2013.
I can confirm this, Page 38 or the Final Appendix Page of the Company Webcast, or LOU 74 I believe.
I see that in the webcast, but not in the contract. Under Recognition in LOU 74, Sections 12.05.01 is not an excluded article.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by DBC » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:50 am

L74.20.01.01 is the applicable reference, I don't think section 12 applies as LCC rates are not included there.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:06 am

Crewsware pay tables show a lower rate at LCC.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by TheStig » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:00 am

DBC, thanks for the reference. Once again I stand corrected.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by 777LR » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:40 pm

For all of you in the pool...
Latest bid shows 59 vacancies all yyz.
My guess another gs in Jan and Feb.
Cheers guys 8)
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by snag » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:25 pm

For all of you in the pool...
Latest bid shows 59 vacancies all yyz.
My guess another gs in Jan and Feb.
Cheers guys
...of which 56 are at the LCC.

3 New Mainline Jobs! Sweet! :roll: How's that compare to the previous bid?
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by Beefitarian » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:35 pm

Gah, this title is misleading.
~wraps towel around waist making a skirt like cover for the speedo~
~walks away~


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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by ZBBYLW » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:20 am

snag wrote:
For all of you in the pool...
Latest bid shows 59 vacancies all yyz.
My guess another gs in Jan and Feb.
Cheers guys
...of which 56 are at the LCC.

3 New Mainline Jobs! Sweet! :roll: How's that compare to the previous bid?
Perhaps it's putting lipstick on a pig but consider those Captain positions. There aren't too many positions and I'd imagine most if not all would be A320, EMJ or perhaps really Junior 767 FOs who have a good income at home from their spouse and bid into it. With the socialized bidding I'd say most of the Junior pilots that go there (I'd bet it's only the junior pilots that go there at least at first) would gain a better lifestyle. With that I'd wager for the next few courses (before the LCC really starts to ramp up) there will be openings for EMJ and A320 FOs at mainline.

Its mostly the reduction in 767 flying that is going to be a problem. I find it difficult to believe the company is saving money by having to retrain at least 32 767 FOs (unless they go directly to the 767 LCC).
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by props ahead » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:19 pm

Is it possible that people in the NOV 12 course would be bidding straight into the LCC.....Could a new hire potentially hold a 767 FO position??
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by snag » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:37 am

Is it possible that people in the NOV 12 course would be bidding straight into the LCC.....Could a new hire potentially hold a 767 FO position??
You could possibly bid on, and get a 777 Captain position also. Not likely, but possible. Remember that you are behind a whole whack of EMJ FO's that are being reduced. These guys wouldn't mind a nice raise (year 5+) to fly a widebody, or have a much better schedule on the 320 than they would at mainline. We'll just have to wait and see where the gaps are after the current bid results are out, around the 10th.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by TheStig » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:20 pm

props ahead wrote:Is it possible that people in the NOV 12 course would be bidding straight into the LCC.....Could a new hire potentially hold a 767 FO position??
The LCC FO positions will not be filled by pilots on the Nov 12th course. The vacant positions will be filled closer to the LCC launch next summer. To answer the second part of your question, yes, there will be new hires going to the LCC A319 and B767 FO positions moving forward as they will be entry level positions for Air Canada pilots.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by Baphomet » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:09 am

Might there be a January gs? In your best guestimate, what equipment and base will be available for new hires in early 2013?
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by snag » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:53 pm

FlightOps is currently not planning any groundschools following November. There will be hiring as people choose to retire and groundschools in the new year but no plan yet on dates. Equipment and base will always be unknown until just after the last bid before the class.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by delta1 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:40 am

Does anyone know how many people are in the pool and if January / February classes are a possibility yet? Is an RP position for a new hire a thing of the past?
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by gus70 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:36 am

Approximately 40 candidates are in the pool and next potential course for 20 of them is possibly Jan 7th. Equipment is always unknown as said previously.. The whole November course was awarded Embraer Fo positions based in YYZ.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by Cap'n P8 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:23 am

delta1 wrote:Does anyone know how many people are in the pool and if January / February classes are a possibility yet? Is an RP position for a new hire a thing of the past?
Previously, the only entry positions were EMJ FO, and RP, although occasionally a new hire might have been offered something else if the timing was just right. With the NEW contract, the company has the discretion to put a new hire in any open position. Recent courses have seen new hires train straight onto the bus, and of course in the near future some new hires will go directly to the LCC.
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Re: Air Canada Pool

Post by N8 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:06 am

gus70 wrote:Approximately 40 candidates are in the pool and next potential course for 20 of them is possibly Jan 7th. Equipment is always unknown as said previously.. The whole November course was awarded Embraer Fo positions based in YYZ.
Thanks for the good info Gus. Do you have a source you can share?
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