CARGO ATTENDANT TO F.O POSITION

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CARGO ATTENDANT TO F.O POSITION

#1 Post by tuskegee0147 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:06 am

I recently applied as a cargo attendant at Air Canada and aced all the exams and interview.
I know this position will give me a bit of knowledge how things are run in the background but the long term goal is to be the one in the cockpit of the aircraft. i have a university degree and just want to work in aviation so i don't loose focus as filling all those planes with cargo will keep the big picture in my head of flying them soon while i earn $$ to pay bills and get a bit of experience as a F.I.
i heard after 18 months i can apply as an internal candidate for operations positions
i don't plan to apply for right seat positions till im close to 1000 hours which leads me to my question
I would like to know if Air Canada hire pilots from the ramp to the right seat as advised by the recruiter?


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#2 Post by Krimson » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:38 pm

You should do some further research. Not to be insulting, but it seems like you do not have a good grasp of the industry yet.

Take the job. If you like being around airplanes it will be fun, you'll learn the industry and make some contacts. It will be several years after your first flying job until you can be considered for a right seat job at Air Canada. A good estimate is 6 years. You will not be able to stay on the ramp for that long, you will need to leave to get a full time flying job elsewhere. Pilots getting hired typically have 3000-8000 hours to fly in the right seat.
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#3 Post by arcadia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:47 pm

Sweet Merciful Jesus.
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#4 Post by Changes in Latitudes » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:16 pm

Really, you're not shortcutting anyone but yourself. Go out and have a career, you'd be amazed about what you'll learn about yourself and this industry.


I certainly have seen worse ideas, but there is no way this is going to end well.




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#5 Post by cdnpilot77 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:51 pm

Changes in Latitudes wrote:Really, you're not shortcutting anyone but yourself. Go out and have a career, you'd be amazed about what you'll learn about yourself and this industry.


I certainly have seen worse ideas, but there is no way this is going to end well.




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WTF, where do you find this $hit? :lol:
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#6 Post by tuskegee0147 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:28 am

Well then $79 uncomfortable sweat shirt says it all
Thanks all for your responses
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#7 Post by Stinky » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:31 am

It's probably not the best way to try and get into the cockpit. I fly for Jazz but have been around long enough to know guys at most airlines and I don't recall meeting anybody that worked their way up from a rampie. I have met a number of ramp crew, dispatchers, flight attendants, etc. that have commercial licenses and intended on working as a pilot but took the unconventional path of just getting close to airplanes as opposed to actually flying them, it usually doesn't work out.

The experience you gain sitting right seat in a king air in the middle of nowhere will actually be more relevant and valuable than knowing how to load bags in a 320. Sure, you'll learn a bit about how the operation works at Air Canada but the stuff you'll learn won't be a huge asset since most new hire pilots coming in will need to learn it anyways, and it's not all that complicated.

The other huge flaw with your plan is that you're putting all your eggs in one basket, it would suck if Air Canada started laying off because Virgin Galactic made a huge debut into Canada and you couldn't apply for an astronaut position because you've been working the ramp at AC for the past 5 years.

Having a degree already gives you a leg up, now just get some hours and you're in business.
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#8 Post by TheStig » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:07 am

Pilot positions at Air Canada aren't filled via internal postings. As mentioned, you don't seem to fully grasp how things work yet, not a big deal but the plan you've outlined isn't the path into a flying position at AC. Working the ramp/cargo/dispatch etc. at smaller carriers can help you find your way into a pilot position, not at WestJet, Air Canada, Jazz, Porter, etc. These such airlines hire pilots externally after they've accumulated thousands of hours of experience (typically 3000-6000 hours). If you're interested in loading bags while you complete your training, look towards smaller operators who do move pilots from the ramp to the cockpit.

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#9 Post by Justjohn » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:01 pm

The Naivety is simply ... breathtaking.

No sarcasm, no scorn, no hurtful remarks are in anyway intended. I really mean that. I recognize that the OP is using creative thinking to try and crack a tough nut. This is such a different industry than most. That recruiter should be .. talked to.

Best of luck.

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#10 Post by tuskegee0147 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:52 pm

I may be naive when it gets to the aviation industry but by the posts here it's easy to tell those who are intelligent, experienced and want to give something back to the upcoming generation. To them i say THANKS a thousand.
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#11 Post by TrailerParkBoy » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:08 am

I worked on the ground with an airline for 6 years, went out to get experience hoping to be hired by them, 8 years of experience later, including jet and command time, got my big interview...6 weeks after that, got PFOd.

It may not happen the way you want, then again, I know a few that proved my theory wrong!
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#12 Post by yycflyguy » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:16 am

The path you plan and the path you take are normally completely different. Learn to hit a curveball.
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#14 Post by ChallengerDan » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:13 am

This isn't typical of Air Canada.
Only places I have heard that might still work like that are remote bush operations. And these are for junior positions, not at a major airline flying big metal.
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#15 Post by Floyd » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:49 pm

I know a couple of people who worked at AC while getting their training completed. Some even managed to hold on to their jobs at AC for a while once they moved up north to work for a small airline. Unfortunately the game has changed since then and the major benefit that they experienced (pension buy back) is no longer an option. I think if it were my decision I would be getting a job at an FBO or a small airline like others have said and try to make connections from there.
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#16 Post by JZA » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:27 pm

I'm one of the few who managed to start "from the ground" and work my way up with Air Canada to hold a pilot position. It was a great part-time job as an aviation enthusiast, and as it turned out gave my employer 10 years of company work history to help make their decision as to whether or not to hire me (again). However it was a long 10 year journey which included lay-offs, multiple flying jobs, working two jobs for years once recalled ... and a whole lot of luck that 7000 Hours into my flying career I turned in my AC rampie vest for an AC pilot uniform. So no one should say it can't be done; BUT...that was a different time. My path was unique and probably not a realistic option for today's pilot starting out. So yes it can be done, but as most agree above it's extremely rare and probably not the ideal path to try and take. The odds are generally not in your favour.
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#17 Post by jpilot77 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:18 pm

The key is that you had 7000 hours not 250!
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#18 Post by chikiebella » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:34 pm

I think that they are hiring as low as 2500 hrs by now but don't quote me this an information I got from an instructor on the Embraer at AC.
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#19 Post by Big Pistons Forever » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:22 pm

tuskegee0147 wrote:
I would like to know if Air Canada hire pilots from the ramp to the right seat as advised by the recruiter?
What recruiter are you referring to ?
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#20 Post by tuskegee0147 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:13 pm

@ JZA thanks for redefining the word impossible into i am possible
@ bigpistonsforever i have the recruiters name and number but posting it on the forum might cost him his job
i just needed honest straight to the point answers from the guys at AC
i obviously wont apply at AC till i hit the minimums required but by submitting my resume every 1000 hrs
is just a way to reiterate my interest in the company that im working on my hours while hoping to fly for them
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#21 Post by flatface » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:31 am

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#22 Post by aV1aTOr » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:10 pm

It is possible to work around big airplanes on your way to flying them. But as others have mentioned, working directly for AC is probably a bad idea, since the pilot recruitment department and ground operation are far removed from each other. Airlines interview based on flying experience, and hire based on personality. In order to get that interview you need to get that experience elsewhere, and more than flight instructing. Get yourself a job on a Kingair or a Twin otter, maybe move on to a dash 8 or ATR, and soon AC will come calling.
I spent 5 years chucking bags on the ramp around big airplanes at a major airport while I completed my training, and that ramp job led to my first flying job, and 7 years later I now fly for Air Canada. So it is possible to experience both, but the ramp job will not lead directly to the flightdeck at AC without several steps in between.
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#23 Post by nottellin » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:18 am

Best advice I was given from Avcanada 10+ years ago when I was in a similar career position was "go north!" sure it kind of sucks but it goes by fairly quick and some even like it up there and stay. Will make you a much better pilot in the long run.

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#24 Post by BlueSkies12 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:46 am

Listen to flatface and nottellin.
Starting to fly isn't something you do "on the side". It's a total and utter commitment and timing in everything in this industry so the quicker you realize that the quicker you'll have the required experience to fly for an airline.
Also, living in a city is hard with the low pay and distractions everywhere. If you go up north you'll live and breath flying and if you love as much as you think you'll know whether or not it's for you.
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#25 Post by Dockjock » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:20 pm

Not to use the old AC=NHL reference but, think of any large airline like a pro hockey team. You don't get on the team by filling water bottles. You get on the team by being good at hockey. And you can't get good if you only play once a week. Go north, bud.
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