Pilot grooming is officially finished!

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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by countdown » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:00 pm

My best one was 14k...
Worst was some extra buddy passes, JetsGo days...
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by True North » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:18 pm

14k! That's helluva dinner for two!! :shock:
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by aerobod » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:03 pm

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Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:29 pm
Yup, I hear the last one wasn't good largely due to the threatened strike. Prior to that a very different story, no?
Totally agree. Over the past 12 years profit share has averaged close to 10% of base salary per year, with a couple of years close to 20% when combining May and Nov amounts and a couple of years close to zero (2018 in the later category).
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by jazzyboy » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:13 pm

Yes this has been the lowest one in my days at WJ...the best for me as an FO was probably 10K before tax. ONCE it was that out of the last 17 profit shares at WJ. I would say that average of 10% salary is not inaccurate, however that has been trending downward the last few years.
Honestly....the days of 14K profit share cheques are gone unless things at WJ can correct themselves in a MASSIVE way. There are over 13 000 employees now and profit has been remaining quite flat. It is getting harder and harder to stomach the "oh because it contributes to profit share" line.....keep on grooming and doing security checks and coming in on your days off to keep the operation going. Profit share has always been used as a carrot to keep people towing the line. I think this last contract has really hit home for us that our work here is really not valued by WJ. They can say that, but the proof is in the pudding and it ain't there. I was months away from a captain seat at WJ and now that has been shelved permanently. Sure I can go to Swoop and upgrade for a pay cut from my FO salary at WJ. No thanks.
I want to be clear that I do not think that I am above grooming....I didn't mind it for 9 years even as it grew more and more challenging. However I am now done. Keep profit share or take it away....I honestly don't care. It is not the carrot that it used to be.
And I think it is important to say that note that it was not only the pilots responsible for the loss of profit in this last quarter. Swoop startup costs and investing in the 787 product with no new revenue didn't help.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by fish4life » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:34 pm

Again from an outsider who doesn’t know any different, is the savings from grooming go into a bigger profit share pool for the flight crews?
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by aerobod » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:39 am

jazzyboy wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:13 pm
And I think it is important to say that note that it was not only the pilots responsible for the loss of profit in this last quarter. Planes were going to Swoop and investing in the 787 product with no new revenue didn't help.
I think there is a general mis-conception on how corporate accounting works and what can be written off in a given quarter, as I have heard a lot of people say this. The Swoop and 787 startup costs had no significant effect on the profitability in the quarter compared with any of the previous quarters while work has been done on these projects and any quarters going forward over the next 5 years or more (depending on asset depreciation). This is because they are capital projects (both for labour assigned to the project and assets acquired) that have to be amortized over time to meet IFRS accounting rules. The most significant issue in the quarter was loss in forward bookings due to uncertainty because of the strike threat, basically the approximately 50 day booking curve was distorted, interrupting the revenue flow.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by FlyYYC » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:19 am

Nope. Pilot grooming benefits everyone's profit share. Id like to add that I haven't seen anything significant from profit share in my few years from westjet. And no growth from my stocks either. Certainly nothing to keep many from my ground school from jumping ship.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by The Tenth Man » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:09 am

Apparently flying the airplane is now benefitting everyone's proft share too, according to the latest memo.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Dyna » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:05 pm

Some of the posts here are clearly tainted with the “campus” brush. It’s reasonable to believe that the strike threat affected bookings for a few months. WestJet pilots DO NOT own that entirely on our own, there’s a reason we ended up there that is easily overlooked by some. There’s CUPE and CALDA, and others that will follow. It’s all our fault, damn greedy employees. But I digress.

If the woes of the company are directly due to pilot actions, then the stock performance would have shown that prior to the strike threat and prior to ALPA. The investors know that the issues go much further than employee relations. Investors do not trust this executive. Fact. The strike threat disappeared a few quarters ago, if that was what was holding us back as a company we should see some recovery by now. We don’t. Fact. Stock performance sucked long before the strike vote. Fact. Those steering the ship have no idea where the Conn is located.

If the campus crew are to be believed, now that the strike threat is (LONG) over, it should be all roses from here. It’s not. Fact. I desperately want this company to succeed, as does every flight crew member I work with. Even those of us that wear ALPA lanyards. It’s up to the executive to deliver, as it always was. I’m not ful of hope.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by The Tenth Man » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:48 am

Dyna wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:05 pm
Some of the posts here are clearly tainted with the “campus” brush. It’s reasonable to believe that the strike threat affected bookings for a few months. WestJet pilots DO NOT own that entirely on our own, there’s a reason we ended up there that is easily overlooked by some. There’s CUPE and CALDA, and others that will follow. It’s all our fault, damn greedy employees. But I digress.

If the woes of the company are directly due to pilot actions, then the stock performance would have shown that prior to the strike threat and prior to ALPA. The investors know that the issues go much further than employee relations. Investors do not trust this executive. Fact. The strike threat disappeared a few quarters ago, if that was what was holding us back as a company we should see some recovery by now. We don’t. Fact. Stock performance sucked long before the strike vote. Fact. Those steering the ship have no idea where the Conn is located.

If the campus crew are to be believed, now that the strike threat is (LONG) over, it should be all roses from here. It’s not. Fact. I desperately want this company to succeed, as does every flight crew member I work with. Even those of us that wear ALPA lanyards. It’s up to the executive to deliver, as it always was. I’m not ful of hope.
So, is grooming finished, or...?
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by cloak » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:56 am

My prediction is that grooming is not over for any of WestJet pilots.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by .80@410 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:12 pm

Oh it’s over .

All that’s left is intimidation and guilt.

ALPA has made it completely clear .. you want to volunteer to groom? Go ahead. Might as well volunteer to bake cookies too. It’s no more part of our job than cookie baking .
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Schooner69A » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:11 am

"...you want to volunteer to groom? Go ahead. Might as well volunteer to bake cookies too. It’s no more part of our job than cookie baking...



And that, dear reader, is a beautiful example of a non sequitur...


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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Daniel Cooper » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:20 am

I imagine many will still do it out of habit and due to the kool-aid having a long half-life.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by brooks » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:41 pm

I personally prefer to do a bit of grooming since it gives me exercise between legs. I guess if you're a lazy butt you see it differently.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by GAF » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:02 pm

Or, perhaps you could walk up the bridge, inside the terminal and stretch you legs that way?
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Hangry » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:04 pm

Now now. That’s not very westjetty. :goodman:
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by George Taylor » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:09 pm

Hangry wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:04 pm
Now now. That’s not very westjetty. :goodman:
WestJet isn’t even Westjetty anymore.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Schooner69A » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:19 pm

"...walk up the bridge, inside the terminal and stretch you legs that way?"

And tend to all the "flight safety" thingies instead of giving a helpful hand to your fellow crew members.


Just like the Old Days at BOAC... :lol:
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Lightchop » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:38 pm

brooks wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:41 pm
I personally prefer to do a bit of grooming since it gives me exercise between legs. I guess if you're a lazy butt you see it differently.
Hahahaha

Fuckin koolaide is strong with this one boys
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by C.W.E. » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:45 pm

brooks wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:41 pm
I personally prefer to do a bit of grooming since it gives me exercise between legs. I guess if you're a lazy butt you see it differently.
It is nice to see someone with a professional work ethic, when I was in the pilot hiring end of flying you would be at the top of the list to hire. :D

Chuck Ellsworth.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Lightchop » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:47 pm

C.W.E. wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:45 pm
brooks wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:41 pm
I personally prefer to do a bit of grooming since it gives me exercise between legs. I guess if you're a lazy butt you see it differently.
It is nice to see someone with a professional work ethic, when I was in the pilot hiring end of flying you would be at the top of the list to hire. :D

Chuck Ellsworth.
This isn't 703.

I'd care more about their ability to safely pilot a plane full of 130 people. But then I guess according to you, anyone can be an airline Captain with a grade 4 education.
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by GAF » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:58 pm

Schooner69A wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:19 pm
"...walk up the bridge, inside the terminal and stretch you legs that way?"

And tend to all the "flight safety" thingies instead of giving a helpful hand to your fellow crew members.


Just like the Old Days at BOAC... :lol:
"Flight safety thingies". ?

Please tell me you don't fly planes !

After almost 19 years at WS it's time to move on from cleaning airplanes. The latest letter put out by CUPE is a great start.
The days of 30 min flights and 25 min turns are over. When a plane is airborne for 4,5,6 hours and serves hot food, it needs a professional cleaning.

Also, Chuck, I have great respect for you. Hell, I knew you when we called you captain porno. I flew floats on the west coast for a long time prior to WS Cleaning out a beaver and cleaning a 737 are 2 totally different scenarios. Take care
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by Schooner69A » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:09 pm

"...Please tell me you don't fly planes!..."



Ha, ha, Ha.


Sonny, you have no idea!


PS You and some of your cohorts may be able to BS John Q Public with your "can't help in the cabin because I'm attending to flight safety stuff", but you can't fool all the people all the time.


This is your "hot button item", the line in the sand. Like Trump and his silly wall. Nothing to do with flight safety.

The Brits have an expression for your actions...
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Re: Pilot grooming is officially finished!

Post by GAF » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:25 pm

Schooner69A wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:09 pm
"...Please tell me you don't fly planes!..."



Ha, ha, Ha.


Sonny, you have no idea!


PS You and some of your cohorts may be able to BS John Q Public with your "can't help in the cabin because I'm attending to flight safety stuff", but you can't fool all the people all the time.


This is your "hot button item", the line in the sand. Like Trump and his silly wall. Nothing to do with flight safety.

The Brits have an expression for your actions...

Oh John. Maybe one day you'll get it. I highly doubt it, but one can dream.

We aren't British. Move on little man.
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