SWOOP - A New Hires Future

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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by x-wind » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:33 pm

"I just flew with a mgmt pilot last week ferrying a 737 from Kelowna with the new seat layout back to Calgary...he said they are going to 20 planes pretty quick. He was also of the opinion that the Swoop LOU would need to be re-evaluated in order to fill all the positions. We will have to wait and see I guess.."

Excellent rumor to start before a bid.
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by SwoopStar » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:06 am

cloak wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:28 am
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eyebrow737 wrote:
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Watch everybody come back and attack this statement, truth as it is.
Truth to you, luckily you are the minority :goodman:
.....As for the comment about grey days and such, my sources on the ground say otherwise. It is clear that most of the guys that went to Swoop, did so under the false promises by ALPA that encouraged them to bid these positions saying that there was going to wage parity or very close to it. Clearly they were in no position to make such promises, no one really could make any promises.
Cloak,

You're wise enough to know ALPA made no promises, formal or informal.

The only thing that we are guilty of, was being an optimist. No one imagined that we would make less than a tenured WS FO while being held as a hostage during a implementation dispute.

As you know, optimism was a desirable trait of a WestJetter.
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by SwoopStar » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:51 pm

SWOOP'S GEOGRAPHY PROBLEM

Please allow me to comment on the myth that the business model of SWOOP will provide a good quality of life schedule.

Most ULCC's operate on a roster consisting of sets of "mornings" or "evenings" and no overnights. This is a favorable point of a ULCC pilot. For example, a Ryan Air or JetStar pilot is home every night. They either drop off their children at school in the morning or pick them up in afternoon all while sleeping in their bed every night. It's hard to put a price on that.

However this is NOT the case for SWOOP. Ryan Air has shorter stage lengths and JetStar flies up and down the East Coast of OZ. SWOOP flies East-West over 4 time zones and a sparsely populated prairie. Further, SWOOP is limited to a small subset of secondary airports to prevent overlap with mainline. This results in longer stage lengths which should mean less days worked, however the opposite is occurring. Why? RED-EYES. LOTS of them.

In order to maximize utilization, SWOOP's network is shoe horned into as many red-eyes as possible. Presently, there are fatiguing red-eye returns to LAS and YEG out of YHM while the YXX-YHM red-eye was converted to the opposite, a 9.5hr credit 3-day with 2 full days in YXX. This particular pairing occurs 6 out of 7 nights of the week. There is no right way to schedule a red-eye and they are inevitable and frequent. So while a large stage length should promise less than 15 days worked, the reality of red-eyes is that one should expect to be block 18 DAYS in a 30 day month and 19 DAYS in a 31 day month.

This is SWOOP's geography problem. Couple it with a terrible LOU and the result is a poor quality of life. Any Swoop pilot will tell you this. And it's not likely to improve.
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:42 pm

I'm sure Jazz, Porter and every 704 operator would be happy to hire a swoop pilot. Likely better WAWCON too.
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by cloak » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:53 pm

.80@410 wrote:
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oh please. Your ignorance of managements intentions is laughable ....
Do you seriously expect to influence the audience by starting your arguments with such emotional and abusive retort?!
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by cloak » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:11 pm

SwoopStar, you do bring up some valid points about optimism and also challenges of geography. Optimism is great, so is patience. Optimism also needs to be balanced against realism. And the past belongs in the past; moving forward bears most fruits. Swoop's schedule too will likely transform over time. The challenge in Canada as you say is its geography and now the added pressure of duty limitations in some cases work against an ideal schedule.
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by Airbrake » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:47 pm

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Me Greenway has stated on LinkedIn that external applicants are now welcomed. I can only guess that the internal applicants were lower than the requirement.
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by '97 Tercel » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:31 pm

"We have attractive terms and conditions..."


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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:50 pm

That's great to hear! When was the LOU signed? I must have missed it. :rolleyes:
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by lostaviator » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:24 am

I agree with the sentiment above about the ship slowing changing course with a few new faces around here. HOWEVER, there is just one face I think we need to change out to fix this situation and his name has already been mentioned above. Anyone arrogant enough to sit in a classroom and tell the class "we don't need WestJet" when we are paying your salary, needs to be shown the door if moral is ever to improve after this whole Swoop business. He was GGG's find, and I don't think his morals and direction align with that of our new top brass.
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by CaptainHaddock » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:19 pm

Airbrake wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:47 pm
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Me Greenway has stated on LinkedIn that external applicants are now welcomed. I can only guess that the internal applicants were lower than the requirement.
The posted attachment from Mr. Greenway makes me physically ill. Boasting that you get on the WestJet seniority list if you come to Swoop. It’s like he’s gleefully running a Bowie knife down the underbelly of WestJet. 🤢🤮
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Re: SWOOP - A New Hires Future

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:18 am

Looks like WJ management is finally figuring out there's a pilot shortage, that they shot themselves in both feet, and are too stubborn to admit their mistake.
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