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787 Pilots

Post by duke1000 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:29 am

Just a question from a curious passenger. When WestJet added the Dreamliner to it's fleet, where did they get 787 Captains from? Are they trained from within the company. Or hired from outside. And where do you find a bunch of 787 Captains to hire? Like I said - just curious.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by Old fella » Sun May 19, 2019 5:08 pm

Not that I know a lot but what is so magical about a B787 that an experienced WJ B737 Captain couldn’t handle in the same seat. I could be wrong but tis just another aircraft to be trained on.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by duke1000 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:11 pm

Yes I agree. Hoping for some insight from a WestJet pilot about the transition process and how different to fly from a 737.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by indieadventurer » Sun May 19, 2019 5:44 pm

787 pilots, both captain and fo, came from the westjet pilot group and the positions were awarded via seniority. Boeing provided 787 training pilots who flew with the crews and aircraft when it first came online iirc.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by duke1000 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:13 pm

Thank you very much. That's what I figured.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by Blue42 » Sun May 19, 2019 11:18 pm

duke1000 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 5:11 pm
Yes I agree. Hoping for some insight from a WestJet pilot about the transition process and how different to fly from a 737.
Many of the Capts actually came from the B763, some FOs were B737 Capts.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by Daniel Cooper » Mon May 20, 2019 3:13 am

That would make sense since flying the plane is the easy part. Dealing with different rules and operations at international airports is the hard part.
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Post by Hugh Jasshole » Mon May 20, 2019 3:56 am

The Captains I dealt with working on the WJ 67's generally had employee numbers 500 and below. That means they have been with company since the beginning, or very close (20-23 years). Most have moved on to the 87 now.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by ant_321 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:59 am

Daniel Cooper wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:13 am
That would make sense since flying the plane is the easy part. Dealing with different rules and operations at international airports is the hard part.
That side of things wouldn’t be a big deal either. Westjet flies to quite a few different countries on this side of the pond so it’s not like they are foreign to different ways of doing things. Crossing the Atlantic can be a little different the first time you do it but no biggie. And as for operating in Europe, it’s really no big deal. Maybe study your proper radio phraseology so you don’t sound like a douchey American but it’s not really that different.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by snowcone » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:06 am

What is the pay on the 787?
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Post by Shady McSly » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:24 pm

500
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Post by Mostly Harmless » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:50 pm

Shady McSly wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:24 pm
500
No. It is 42.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by plausiblyannonymous » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:11 pm

duke1000 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:29 am
Just a question from a curious passenger. When WestJet added the Dreamliner to it's fleet, where did they get 787 Captains from? Are they trained from within the company. Or hired from outside. And where do you find a bunch of 787 Captains to hire? Like I said - just curious.
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AFAIK, being Captain is not as much about having thousands of hours on a specific type of airplane, but instead, more about having the experience to handle complex situations and work as a team leader.

The 737 to 787 jump is big, but it's not anything crazy. Pilots get training in the sim, in the airplane, and have many hours of studying on the ground.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by complexintentions » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:31 pm

ant_321 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 6:59 am
Maybe study your proper radio phraseology so you don’t sound like a douchey American but it’s not really that different.
Please do. Still needs a lot of work. Hear Canadian flights coming into London every day, some sound more American than the Amurricans.

And read the damn Jepp/LIDO notes on WHAT they want you to say. Please! It's not that hard, but it's different than Pearson. :mrgreen:
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by altiplano » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:23 pm

Arrival phraseology is straight forward enough, but I'm not repeating behind on line up clearances.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by ahramin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:34 pm

altiplano wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:23 pm
Arrival phraseology is straight forward enough, but I'm not repeating behind on line up clearances.
Line up behind are required to be read back. Just repeat what the controller said and then do it. Simple.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by altiplano » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:00 pm

Yeah but they say it twice.

I read the first condition clearly. I believe it's superfluous to repeat it at the end.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by Kaykay » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:40 am

altiplano wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:00 pm
Yeah but they say it twice.

I read the first condition clearly. I believe it's superfluous to repeat it at the end.
If it’s procedure, then do as you’re told. Don’t be arrogant.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by altiplano » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:25 am

LHR, and you're calling me arrogant? LOL...

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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by Eric Janson » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:47 pm

altiplano wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:23 pm
Arrival phraseology is straight forward enough, but I'm not repeating behind on line up clearances.
Clearances have to be read back verbatim - otherwise you are creating a situation where the Controller isn't sure if you've understood the Instructions you've been given.

This has been a factor in numerous incidents/accidents.

Basic Airmanship.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by altiplano » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:10 pm

It's basic English language skills. Between the redundancy and the ending of a sentence with a preposition, I wonder who the master of the English language really is?

Just to be clear, it's the redundancy, saying "behind" twice, I have issue with.

I'm not saying it that way, it makes less sense than just a clear readback.

I readback the clearance and the condition.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by complexintentions » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:04 am

altiplano wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:10 pm
I'm not saying it that way, it makes less sense than just a clear readback.

Reading it back the way you're supposed to IS the clearest way. No one really cares what you think about who's the "master of the English language" or what you "believe is superfluous" or other such irrelevant nonsense.

The redundancy is by design, to mitigate the increased risk of such a conditional clearance, hence the last word is repeated as the most important one - "BEHIND".

But hey, you be you.

Just another North American pilot everyone rolls their eyes at on the radio.

Oh, and guys, you don't need to tell every Shannon and London controller you're CPDLC every time you check in, they know. :mrgreen:
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by altiplano » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 am

You got it... no one really cares.
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by complexintentions » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:44 am

altiplano wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 am
You got it... no one really cares.
Well, at least you're honest - that DOES at least explain a few things we hear from my beloved fellow North Americans! :mrgreen:
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Re: 787 Pilots

Post by '97 Tercel » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:45 pm

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