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Re: One List

Post by Gerry Schwartz » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:53 pm

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Oh I see. So the MEC knows best? That's ironic because WJ pilots joined ALPA to move away from papa knows best scenario! The MEC shared in an email on May 10th that it will respect the vote results, and then on the 14th it shared that even though the result was negative, it will continue to negotiate, before there could be any "survey". That doesn't sound very democratic!

And for your information, unions cannot simply follow the will of the majority if it causes harm to another member or members.
Actually, "the duty of fair representation requires a union to treat bargaining unit members fairly and honestly, in a manner that is not arbitrary, discriminatory or in bad faith." (Google Duty of Fair Representation, took me 45 seconds) The will of the majority will almost always mean that some members of the a union are 'harmed' or worse off than other members. And for your information unions can do exactly that!

So what's with the Daddy issues? No one said the MEC knows best. I said that the MEC publicizing all the survey results is not a smart negotiating tactic. Our MEC had outlined right after the vote that there had been a very significant outpouring of support for the idea of a One List but there was concerns about the wording and bump down language. Based on that, they did surveys which they've clearly outlined in their Comms that demonstrate support for the PTA and, as they've also outlined in their e-mails, an increase in take home pay. skyhighh has it right. The new PTA is an improvement over the old one. I was at the recent road show and it was informative.

I don't like getting involved in this stuff. I want to go work and then go home to my family. But, this is an important vote for our pilot group and your gibberish is just wrong.
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Re: One List

Post by flyinhigh » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:23 am

This keeps coming up in this topic. It's not industry standard.

You guys make it quite easy come time to negotiate. All management has to do is read this drivel and see the working group is ok with JUST industry standard and ANYTHING outside that just won't fly.

Wouldn't it be nice to set the bar and move industry standard in a way the even AC has to increase there WAWCON, thereby increasing yours again the next round? Or would you rather the pilots at Flair to have the balls to say FU to a company and increase it for you?
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Never was a supporter of the "one list" concept in which one carries their WJE DOH to mainline. It wasn't industry standard, and was bound to implode eventually. Was a strong supporter of "flow" however.

Nothing personal against Encore pilots, but expecting to bypass OTS hires at a mainline is not on.
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Re: One List

Post by Reinforcer » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:36 pm

I’ve been following this situation unfold and figured I’d chime in with my 2 cents.

For the Encore pilots hired pre-May 2019, I understand the frustrations and rightfully so. This is not about your mainline peers voting down a one-list, but more so about the company arbitrarily changing the rules half way through the game. As far as I’m concerned, this matter should not even be up for a vote and if I was involved in your pilot representation I’d be hiring the best law firms to take this matter to court. I couldn’t give a rat’s if a one-list is industry standard, if it’s better, if it’s worse, or whatever the case may be. This is something that was promised to you, in writing, and now it is being taken away. There are legal ramifications to that and I would strongly urge the pilot group to look into it. It should not be up for a vote (for which only mainline pilots voted, mind you). As for the pilots hired post-May 2019, well, they knew what they are getting themselves into and frustrated or not, industry standard or not,it is what it is. And many of my peers on this forum have used the Jazz/AC as a point of reference and they are correct. Nobody at Jazz is getting an AC seniority number (but then again they weren’t promised one from the beginning)

Now sticking to the Jazz/AC comparison, some of you have claimed that the negotiating committee at AC would never approve of a one list so thereby we shouldn’t at Westjet either. Let me be clear: ACPA represents pilots employed by Air Canada, not Chorus aviation. Also, ACPA would be in favour of a one list if it was done right from the beginning but unfortunately you cannot turn back time and it is now too late to amalgamate these 2 groups. But what ACPA will desperately try to do is to keep a one list when/if the Transat pilots have migrated over. The goal is one list, one working conditions. Anything other than that and off to arbitration it goes.

Finally, I’d like to point out and call out some of the childish and naive behaviour of these Encore professionals. Don’t get me wrong, I stand by you guys and feel the events of the past few months have been unfair, unethical, and just outright illegal. But also don’t forget that this is a job and no one will feel sorry for you. It’s a dog eat dog cat eat cat kinda world out there so you better find a way to make encore a better place to work.

For the longest time Westjet has successfully brain washed its employee groups into thinking that they genuinely care about their people. It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee. Westjet is a business no different than AC, Flair, even Tim Hortons. Westjet doesn’t give a crap about you, me, or the flying public. Don’t be fooled by these warm fuzzy TV ads claiming they treat people like people. If you Encorians (and Westjetters) can get that through your head, it’ll be a much happier work environment.

I always got a laugh when my fellow pilots at WJ and encore used to say ‘I take my job seriously but not myself’. Well, if you don’t take yourself seriously and crack jokes on the PA and clean the airplane on every turn, guess what? Nobody is gonna take you seriously either.

A new chapter, a new beginning. Look at yourself in the mirror and start acting like a professional pilot and demand to be treated like a professional. Things will get better I give you my word.

Best of luck,
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Re: One List

Post by plausiblyannonymous » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:48 pm

I am happy to say that, based off of what I have read here, all of the concerns that mainline pilots had with the original proposal have been addressed.

Now all we need is for all pilots to read, ask questions, and vote.
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Re: One List

Post by FlyYYC » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:14 pm

skyhighh wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:34 am
I love when mainline pilots talk about the entitlement of Encore pilots. When they got hired they were told by company, their mainline peers, etc... That there was a one list and that after a few years they will flow to mainline with their seniority attached to it. Back then it was the only way to get to mainline as WJ wasn't hiring. So, pilots did it because WJ was where they wanted to be. (Not everyone wants to go to Air Canada).
Since then, flow has stopped multiple times (adding many years at Encore) and their peers at mainline took away the one list because they either can't read or didn't care enough to vote (Not counting the OTS voting no for personal agenda).
Now there is a PTA vote that brings more cash to the mainline pilots, fix the language of the old LOU and provide exactly everything that was "missing" in the old LOU. And what do people say? "Not enough, company is doing something shady, lets vote NO, that will teach them a lesson".
The new PTA gives mainline pilots everything they wanted on the last vote and still, it is not enough! Mainline pilots want to leverage the company, not with their career... but the career of their peers because they think they deserve better. Who is entitled now? Any mainline pilot saying they want to vote NO to help the Encore pilot group is full of cow poop. The Encore pilots are and have been clear on what they want... Which is what they were promised upon hiring by management AND WJ pilots. If the WJ MEC of NC can't negotiate without the leverage of the One List... well maybe these guys should be replaced or the WJ pilots should show more unity towards their MEC/LEC.

As for experience at WJ... this one grinds my gears... Most captain at Encore has 5.000+ hours, extensive 705 experience, flew for many years WJ colors, WJ SOP, WJ passengers... shared all benefits with mainline (How many of the WJ pilots got GREAT profit share, enjoyed a rise of share price at 20% paycheck matched at 100%), while Encore got peanuts... But to the eyes of some WJ pilots they are inexperienced entitled 20 years old... You guys are hiring 2000h pilots.... ANY pilot flowing to mainline from Encore has double that, double the experience and know more about WJ than any OTS. And still you'd rather help the new kid on the block instead of the ones who fought for you, with you and feed your planes. What kind of mentality is that?
And yes Encore will soon be hiring 250h pilots... but by the time they flow to mainline they will have more hours and more experience than any OTS you're hiring now.

Now about SWOOP... Everyone bitch about Swoop and the working conditions there. If the PTA get voted down... what do you think will happen to Encore pilots? Well... they will have no choice but go to Swoop because there is no way the flow reopen to mainline any time soon because of the lack of Captains, the incoming fatigue rules and future duty rigs. By voting NO to the PTA you will shoot yourself in the foot big time...

So to the Cloak, FlyYYC, Impact, etc... stop your uneducated propaganda, stop calling the Encore pilots entitled inexperienced kids and look at yourself in the mirror because the only entitled ones destroying this industry, moral and unity is you. It's not because your plane is slightly bigger than a Q400 that you are better than them. You ONLY fly a 737, I'm sorry but you're not that special. It's an entry level airplane in most countries.

Anyway... No hard feelings, just sad to see how Encore is being treated but I guess it's the industry, always trying to eat their young. The reason why Canadian working conditions are so shitty, airlines know that pilots will turn on each-others for


I said in my post that the pilots already on the list prior to the vote should stay on the list. Not sure how I am spreading uneducated propaganda but sure...
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Re: One List

Post by elite » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 am

I have been following this saga and the general airline industry in Canada from the sidelines and must say it seems counter-productive and short-sighted to have one list between an airline and its regional(s). At first glance it seems to benefit the airline to keep WAWCON low at the regionals, and the regional pilots for getting a seniority number. In the long run though, it works against both. It makes things complicated for the airline as generally speaking pilots with less experience locate higher on the seniority. I know there are exceptions, but generally speaking. It doesn't help the regional pilots either because it delays high-earning years. It also generally limits the number of flows which further complicates things for both.

I recall Air Canada and its regionals went through similar challenges which created many problems. This creates artificial pressure in the market that for instance in this environment of unprecedented growth and pilot shortage, pilots in Canada have been unable to secure industry standard (forget industry leading) contracts. Even Air Canada where the corporation was able to secure favourable long term contract with very low pay for four years, seem to have backfired that they can't find WB FOs. There is such a thing as too good a contract, and in this case the corporation has too good a deal which is not sustainable and will have to correct, and when it does correct, it will do so rather violently disrupting the industry.

In the grand scheme of things and for the whole industry, it is much better to negotiate a contract for any airline or its regionals that can largely stand on its own, and this one, will tip the balance too far to one side.
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Re: One List

Post by Gerry Schwartz » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm

elite wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 am
I have been following this saga and the general airline industry in Canada from the sidelines
Perhaps you should remain on the sidelines then. Sometimes it is best to be silent and be thought of a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
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Re: One List

Post by Gerry Schwartz » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:52 pm

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Re: One List

Post by plausiblyannonymous » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:59 pm

Gerry Schwartz wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm
elite wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 am
I have been following this saga and the general airline industry in Canada from the sidelines
Perhaps you should remain on the sidelines then. Sometimes it is best to be silent and be thought of a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
+1 to the staying on the sideline

-1 to calling him a fool.

He's not a fool. He just doesn't have the opportunity to have the experience that we have in the matter. He sees it as he's told.
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Re: One List

Post by goingnowherefast » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:02 am

With the atrocious contracts, no wonder few people wants to be pilots
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Re: One List

Post by elite » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:33 am

Gerry Schwartz wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm
elite wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 am
I have been following this saga and the general airline industry in Canada from the sidelines
Perhaps you should remain on the sidelines then. Sometimes it is best to be silent and be thought of a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Ah, insult the opponent into giving up approach?! A product of the generation of social media; those who lack the social skills to actually engage people into a respectable debate? Perhaps also one of the ones that through threw a hissy fit and banned WestJet pilots into the jumpseat?!

I say again, there is no good reason to have a one list with a regional carrier for a major airline because it lowers WAWCON and while it may seem like a good idea for the company at first, it will backfire into major correction and disruption. Various parties for their selfish reasons may promote it, but it doesn't help the industry in general. If you or anyone else has any good arguments for it that goes beyond promises made to you I'm all ears for a respectable debate. Life is full of surprises and things sometimes change. Take marriage for example, the parties make great gestures and promises to each other which sometimes change. If WestJet wants to become a major global airline, it needs to attract experienced pilots. Also, those who do not learn from past mistakes (AC and Jazz, other US carriers) are doomed to repeat them.
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Re: One List

Post by mbav8r » Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:37 pm

elite wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:33 am
Gerry Schwartz wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm
elite wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 am
I have been following this saga and the general airline industry in Canada from the sidelines
Perhaps you should remain on the sidelines then. Sometimes it is best to be silent and be thought of a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Ah, insult the opponent into giving up approach?! A product of the generation of social media; those who lack the social skills to actually engage people into a respectable debate? Perhaps also one of the ones that through threw a hissy fit and banned WestJet pilots into the jumpseat?!

I say again, there is no good reason to have a one list with a regional carrier for a major airline because it lowers WAWCON and while it may seem like a good idea for the company at first, it will backfire into major correction and disruption. Various parties for their selfish reasons may promote it, but it doesn't help the industry in general. If you or anyone else has any good arguments for it that goes beyond promises made to you I'm all ears for a respectable debate. Life is full of surprises and things sometimes change. Take marriage for example, the parties make great gestures and promises to each other which sometimes change. If WestJet wants to become a major global airline, it needs to attract experienced pilots. Also, those who do not learn from past mistakes (AC and Jazz, other US carriers) are doomed to repeat them.
I’ll ask you a question then, what do you think is worse for the industry, two groups of pilots who support each other who are contributing to the bottom line of the same company or a group of pilots who supported one group and then were thrown out of the group?
WJ pilots have scope but my understanding is Encore can have Jets, I imagine they might now be motivated to take some Jet flying from the mainline pilots.
I wonder if there is an example of this happening in the history of Canada aviation?
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Re: One List

Post by George Taylor » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:24 pm

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WJ pilots have scope but my understanding is Encore can have Jets, I imagine they might now be motivated to take some Jet flying from the mainline pilots.
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Um, Encore pilots have ZERO say in the equipment they operate. That's a few steps above their pay grade. Quit with the threats.
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Re: One List

Post by lostaviator » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:49 am

And there's a seat limit to what Encore can operate. Not many jets would make the restriction.
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Re: One List

Post by cloak » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:02 pm

In spite of all the noise about doom and gloom and shortage at Encore, according to the MEC the numbers that went from there to AC or WJ/WO to AC are about the same. Pilots will ultimately go where they like and the one list is not the panacea to pilot shortage.
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Re: One List

Post by Yycjetdriver » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:17 pm

All the arguing and mud slinging aside. The road shows are done and the new PTA vote began today, so we will soon have an answer. If I was able to bet one of my mediocre paycheques on the results I’d put it on NO.
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Re: One List

Post by bob99 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:29 pm

When does the vote close?
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Post by tbayav8er » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:47 pm

bob99 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:29 pm
When does the vote close?


December 12th at 1000 EST.
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Post by sstaurus » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:12 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:17 pm
All the arguing and mud slinging aside. The road shows are done and the new PTA vote began today, so we will soon have an answer. If I was able to bet one of my mediocre paycheques on the results I’d put it on NO.
I'll be optimistic and say yes. There's a noisy minority that just makes it sound like it's headed for a no.
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Re: One List

Post by elite » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:20 pm

mbav8r wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:37 pm
I’ll ask you a question then, what do you think is worse for the industry, two groups of pilots who support each other who are contributing to the bottom line of the same company or a group of pilots who supported one group and then were thrown out of the group?
WJ pilots have scope but my understanding is Encore can have Jets, I imagine they might now be motivated to take some Jet flying from the mainline pilots.
I wonder if there is an example of this happening in the history of Canada aviation?
If you like semantics, the other side of the coin is that it's also difficult to retard the progress of existing pilots in a company for pilots in a different bargaining unit? Yeah, promises were made, but so did 50% of all marriages that end up in divorce. Things change. Frankly that was a bad idea anyway because it kept wawcon at Encore low.

And what you say may happen, or as someone mentioned it could also go a different way if Encore becomes too problematic, as was the case with Jazz and AC when it contracted Sky. This happens in other countries too, including the U.S. They usually have more than one regional. And how do you suppose U.S carriers attract pilots? First they pay them, then they offer them flow to mainline at BOTL. Many companies represented by ALPA too. That's a more lasting solution as opposed to robbing Peter to pay Paul!
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Re: One List

Post by Gerry Schwartz » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:19 pm

elite wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:33 am
Ah, insult the opponent into giving up approach?! A product of the generation of social media; those who lack the social skills to actually engage people into a respectable debate? Perhaps also one of the ones that through threw a hissy fit and banned WestJet pilots into the jumpseat?!
Please accept my apology for the insult. I was back from a red-eye and frustrated.

Encore pilots have always been welcome in my jumpseat. I don't like that there were previously a few reported instances of Encore pilots denying WestJet pilots from the jumpseat. However, after speaking with former co-workers who are now at Encore, I can't completely blame Encore pilots for being upset. For many of them the impact of not having the seniority that they were promised is in the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars. I would not call being upset for possibly losing hundreds of thousands of dollars throughout the course of a career as a "hissy fit".

The frustration I have with your post is that your understanding of history is wrong. Regional airlines flourished in the United States with the deregulation of the airline industry in 1978. Prior to deregulation, airlines were limited on what routes they could fly and what fares they could charge. That changed after 1978. One of the major changes in the industry was that larger carriers turned to the hub and spoke network flying and then created changes. Allegheny Commuter was one of the first regional airlines that flew under a larger carrier. What's disappointing is that back in the late 70s, the pilot unions didn't foresee that vast expansion that mainline airlines would use regional airlines for and gave up their exclusivity of flying for the birth of the modern day scope clause. :oops: :evil: Hindsight is 20/20, but this is one of the most disappointing bargaining decisions in history. It has allowed airlines to whipsaw pilots and compete on lowest cost structures!!!

Fast forward to more recent US airline history, Compass Airlines was originally started in 2007 as a compromise between Northwest Airlines and ALPA. Northwest was in an awful financial position. It wanted ALPA to give on its scope clause to permit 76 seat jets. The pilot union agreed on the condition that Northwest pilots could flow down in the event of a furlough, and Compass pilots could flow up to Northwest. Let me repeat: the flow agreement was put in to benefit pilots!!!

If it were primarily up to the airline, Northwest would have started an entire new regional airline and paid the pilots a pittance. It is amazing how quickly people forget that regional airlines in the US in the mid 2000s paid FOs $22,000 a year and had no problem attracting pilots. It made perfect sense for major airlines to have 50% of their fleets made up of regional jets where pilots were paid 50 cents on the dollar compared to their mainline pilots.

Separate B scales and WAWCON for regional airlines is the SINGLE BIGGEST REASON FOR LOW PILOT SALARIES IN NORTH AMERICA!!! You do not have a solid grasp of the history of the airline industry if you think that a flow agreement will hurt WAWCON in the long run.

I have heard some of my WestJet colleagues say that if they vote NO to the PTA that the company will have to improve working conditions at Encore to attract pilots. This may be true in the short term. But all my former colleagues that went to Encore did so because they eventually want to work at WestJet and the company was not hiring at the time. They were fine flying a turboprop for a bit, but the move was to fly a jet. Too bad, so sad? times change, right?

DO you think Encore pilots will all stay if we screw them over again? They'll leave for AC, Transat, Sunwing, Cargojet, Morningstar, SkyRegional and.... wait for it.... Swoop. Swoop has delayed my career progression already, but why wouldn't an Encore pilot decide to go to Swoop if we take away their seniority? Ya, that's exactly what I want...... 500 well trained pilots wanting to staff Swoop and help it grow because they don't have better options and they're pissed at us. Talk about history repeating itself!! Right back to pilots whipsawing each other again. Swoop has 9 aircraft. They can go to 30 without any increase in fleet size at WestJet.

I am skeptical that you really are "on the sidelines". Having a seniority transfer agreement between a regional airline and a mainline airline is the single best way to have pilot groups pulling in the same direction to prevent whipsawing in the future. I personally think having Swoops WAWCON on OUR former planes is awful for our groups. Let's not make it so Swoop becomes a more attractive option to the Encore pilots. Voting No to this PTA will bite us in the ass.
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Re: One List

Post by mbav8r » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:10 pm

George Taylor wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:24 pm
WJ pilots have scope but my understanding is Encore can have Jets, I imagine they might now be motivated to take some Jet flying from the mainline pilots.
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Um, Encore pilots have ZERO say in the equipment they operate. That's a few steps above their pay grade. Quit with the threats.
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See the above post about whipsaw by Gerry Schwartz, if I were an Encore pilot and the WJ pilots vote no again, when management comes to me and says, “how much to operate 50 76 seat jets?” Um, I’ll do it for my current pay, thanks!
This won’t affect me in the grand scheme of things, I just can’t believe the shortsightedness and greed on display by what used to be a unified and motivated group of pilots.
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Re: One List

Post by plausiblyannonymous » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:37 pm

mbav8r wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:10 pm
See the above post about whipsaw by Gerry Schwartz, if I were an Encore pilot and the WJ pilots vote no again, when management comes to me and says, “how much to operate 50 76 seat jets?” Um, I’ll do it for my current pay, thanks!
This won’t affect me in the grand scheme of things, I just can’t believe the shortsightedness and greed on display by what used to be a unified and motivated group of pilots.
When (not if) the company comes to Encore to take flying from mainline (smaller aircraft, less fuel burn, lower crew costs), we can either say yes or tell them that we stand with our mainline brothers and sisters.
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Re: One List

Post by Maxpwr » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:07 am

plausiblyannonymous wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:37 pm
mbav8r wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:10 pm
See the above post about whipsaw by Gerry Schwartz, if I were an Encore pilot and the WJ pilots vote no again, when management comes to me and says, “how much to operate 50 76 seat jets?” Um, I’ll do it for my current pay, thanks!
This won’t affect me in the grand scheme of things, I just can’t believe the shortsightedness and greed on display by what used to be a unified and motivated group of pilots.
When (not if) the company comes to Encore to take flying from mainline (smaller aircraft, less fuel burn, lower crew costs), we can either say yes or tell them that we stand with our mainline brothers and sisters.
Who gave you the impression that management would ask the pilots anything? Management dictates what you fly and where you fly it. Simple as that. Scope protects the mainline jobs. Other than that if management says Encore is flying paper airplanes to Tokyo then that’s what happens. No permission required. But I get you, you want a yes vote. Just keep the threats to a minimum. Believe it or not I know a lot of guys that want to vote no just to respond to these types of threats. There’s a bunch of sympathy for Encore that vanished into thin air after all the threats and childish behavior after the last vote.
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Re: One List

Post by Gerry Schwartz » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:59 am

Maxpwr wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:07 am

Who gave you the impression that management would ask the pilots anything? Management dictates what you fly and where you fly it. Simple as that.
Not simple. Read our contract.

While I expect that you haven't read Encore's Contract, haven't you read our contract's section "19 - New Equipment". While the company can say it wants to get a new aircraft type: the pay rates and conditions have to be negotiated with the pilots. A quick favour from my Encore friends shows that they have basically the exact same section in their contract. So what mbav8r says is correct. If the company wants new aircraft at Encore, they need to negotiate pay rates with them.

So while I agree we should all keep the threats to the minimum, you should at least know OUR contract before bitching about a 'threat'. Swoop can expand from 9 to 30 tails with NO WestJet expansion. The company can get 50 more Turboprops or 76 seat jets with NO WestJet expansion. I doubt it would happen, but the company can get 71 MORE airplanes NOT at WestJet without any permission from us. 21 at Swoop's crappy wages and 50 more at whatever the Encore pilots will negotiate with the company. That is a THREAT TO MY CAREER. Ya, let's make it so the company pits the two pilot groups against each other in a situation where the company can grow Swoop by 200% and regional carriers by 100% without any input from US. Again, if we f*@k the Encore pilots by voting no to this PTA, it'll bite us in the ass.
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