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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by Squid » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:29 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:52 pm
faculties11 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:07 pm
What's the upgrade time for a guy OTS coming to mainline?
Hard to guess accurately with the new PTA just coming into effect and the fact nothing is constant in aviation. If
I had to bet on an approximate time frame I’d guess 10-11 years given current rates.
Fak you sure have an opinion on just about everything don’t ya. You must be a treat on the longer runs.
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by Hangry » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:16 pm

Mach1 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:36 pm
Hangry wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:55 pm
At least at Swoop you could see the left seat in less than a decade.
I suppose it depends on what is important to you in life, having the ego trip of four bars or making money? If you can't stand to be an FO, I guess you go to Swoop and make FO wages. Or, you go to mainline and out-earn a swoop captain by year 4 as an FO... then keep out earning the swoop captain for the rest of your career no matter what seat you sit in.
For sure. Career and earning progression is totally lame.

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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by fish4life » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:27 pm

If YYC is 4 years would it be safe to assume someone wanting to get out to YVR is going to be 6 years for an FO seat ?
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by Yycjetdriver » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:33 pm

Squid wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:29 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:52 pm
faculties11 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:07 pm
What's the upgrade time for a guy OTS coming to mainline?
Hard to guess accurately with the new PTA just coming into effect and the fact nothing is constant in aviation. If
I had to bet on an approximate time frame I’d guess 10-11 years given current rates.
Fak you sure have an opinion on just about everything don’t ya. You must be a treat on the longer runs.
Ok....He asked a question, I gave him some first hand info and a response. Isn’t that the purpose of this forum? What made you butt hurt, you didn’t like my response? What’s you’re opinion on his question then?
For someone who doesn’t like people having “an opinion”, you picked a real good site to spend your time on.
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by cjet » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:48 am

fish4life wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:27 pm
If YYC is 4 years would it be safe to assume someone wanting to get out to YVR is going to be 6 years for an FO seat ?
It took 4 years to get a YVR base as of the last bid. YYC was about the same time.

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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by Blue42 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:08 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:59 pm
indieadventurer wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:30 pm
As of 7 days ago, January 1st, they have YoS.
Better wait till they actually dish out the YOS level compensation before saying that. It’s already 12 months overdue, there’s zero reason to have faith in this management.
It’s not 12 months overdue, Jan 1st, 2020 is per the contract.....
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by Checklist » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:26 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:29 pm
Checklist wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:04 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:52 pm


Hard to guess accurately with the new PTA just coming into effect and the fact nothing is constant in aviation. If
I had to bet on an approximate time frame I’d guess 10-11 years given current rates.
1200 numbers from the bottom of the list to the most junior mainline captain. At 50-70 upgrades a year...
Numbers released for 2020 had 100+ upgrades and those numbers probably don’t account for the junior captains leaving for AC. Either way it’s going to be difficult to attract/retain quality OTS candidates.
An one-off year probably won’t make much of difference with those kind of numbers long term. This year doesn’t seem to be shaping up to expectations from what I heard. Next bid is projecting 14 upgrades?

WJ vs AC isn’t even a competition anymore.
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by lostaviator » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:57 am

Checklist wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:26 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:29 pm
Checklist wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:04 pm
1200 numbers from the bottom of the list to the most junior mainline captain. At 50-70 upgrades a year...
Numbers released for 2020 had 100+ upgrades and those numbers probably don’t account for the junior captains leaving for AC. Either way it’s going to be difficult to attract/retain quality OTS candidates.
An one-off year probably won’t make much of difference with those kind of numbers long term. This year doesn’t seem to be shaping up to expectations from what I heard. Next bid is projecting 14 upgrades?

WJ vs AC isn’t even a competition anymore.
Those 14 are for April. Remember, bids are being done monthly now vs quarterly. I've deleted the emails, but I think there have been 10-14 per month so far this year (January - March). So they are trending a little higher than forecast for upgrades.
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by DaveP » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:04 pm

lostaviator wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:57 am
Checklist wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:26 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:29 pm


Numbers released for 2020 had 100+ upgrades and those numbers probably don’t account for the junior captains leaving for AC. Either way it’s going to be difficult to attract/retain quality OTS candidates.
An one-off year probably won’t make much of difference with those kind of numbers long term. This year doesn’t seem to be shaping up to expectations from what I heard. Next bid is projecting 14 upgrades?

WJ vs AC isn’t even a competition anymore.
Those 14 are for April. Remember, bids are being done monthly now vs quarterly. I've deleted the emails, but I think there have been 10-14 per month so far this year (January - March). So they are trending a little higher than forecast for upgrades.
Hi
You are correct!
Looking ahead at the next 3 bid projections it’s over 50 upgrades. Most junior YVR FO award now (with the latest bid) is July 2017. This will continue to move up as the upgrading continues.
Cheers
Dave
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by moe » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:42 pm

Dave do you see and backfilling of CA spots in YVR for 2020?
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by DaveP » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:04 pm

moe wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:42 pm
Dave do you see and backfilling of CA spots in YVR for 2020?
Hi
Good Question! I think (and this is only me) not based on any other internal knowledge - at some point they have to backfill in order to maintain the 737 base size. (Widebody growth will be the catalyst) go take a look at the standing bid - examine all the 787 bids and their current base - many are YVR skippers. I don’t see the bases shrinking especially in YVR - The same goes for Calgary. I think the biggest unknown is where the flying hours will grow and at some point I’m sure you will see us step off the continent westbound with the big machines. Again, this is just my guess.
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by moe » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:07 pm

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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by Blue42 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:46 pm

lostaviator wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:57 am
Checklist wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:26 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:29 pm


Numbers released for 2020 had 100+ upgrades and those numbers probably don’t account for the junior captains leaving for AC. Either way it’s going to be difficult to attract/retain quality OTS candidates.
An one-off year probably won’t make much of difference with those kind of numbers long term. This year doesn’t seem to be shaping up to expectations from what I heard. Next bid is projecting 14 upgrades?

WJ vs AC isn’t even a competition anymore.
Those 14 are for April. Remember, bids are being done monthly now vs quarterly. I've deleted the emails, but I think there have been 10-14 per month so far this year (January - March). So they are trending a little higher than forecast for upgrades.
Correct, 11 in Jan, 13 in Feb and 10 in March....and now 14 in April..
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by DysonYZF » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:55 pm

Dave, are you able to comment on February initial class size/dates? Calls going out for those yet?
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by Red1 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:44 am

how does the Max fit into this as well...
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by DaveP » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:00 pm

DysonYZF wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:55 pm
Dave, are you able to comment on February initial class size/dates? Calls going out for those yet?
Hi!

Feb 3 and Feb 17 are the next courses - both are 16

Feb 3 is full. Calls going out for the 17th

Cheers
Dave
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by ZoomZoom147 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:54 am

Good day,

Just wondering if anyone has insight on upcoming March courses... Thanks
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by DaveP » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:16 pm

Hi!
3 courses in March. Calls are going out all the time as we try and give as much notice as possible - but sometimes a reference or background check holds us up a little.

Don’t be shy to reach out to the recruitment team if you have any questions but typically it takes 3 weeks before you hear any news from the team.
Cheers
Dave
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by ZoomZoom147 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:46 am

Great, thank you for the update Dave
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by KAG » Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:36 am

The upgrade times peaked at 9.5 years and are back down to 7.5 years or so I'm hearing from recent upgrades. Going forward who knows, too many variables (economy, Onex, retirements, Delta JV).
I think some on here need to focus more on lifestyle. Im hearing from junior pilots here they are not applying to AC because of the socialized bidding. Its the one perk we have over AC (not rouge). AC beats us on every other metric. Pilots with young families are enjoying the scheduling we offer, hopefully we don't lose that too down the road.
WJ has changed, but is still a great gig, it really is. It has its growing pains, but overall IMHO i think things are going to improve over time.
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by hamstandard » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:17 pm

KAG wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:36 am
I think some on here need to focus more on lifestyle. Im hearing from junior pilots here they are not applying to AC because of the socialized bidding. Its the one perk we have over AC (not rouge). AC beats us on every other metric. Pilots with young families are enjoying the scheduling we offer, hopefully we don't lose that too down the road.
What sort of schedule is there on offer?
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by J-Y-M » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:40 pm

DaveP wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:16 pm
Hi!
3 courses in March. Calls are going out all the time as we try and give as much notice as possible - but sometimes a reference or background check holds us up a little.

Don’t be shy to reach out to the recruitment team if you have any questions but typically it takes 3 weeks before you hear any news from the team.
Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave!
Do you have an email where I can send my resume to mainline. The website link is not there anymore
Thank you
J
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by J-Y-M » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:07 pm

DaveP wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:16 pm
Hi!
3 courses in March. Calls are going out all the time as we try and give as much notice as possible - but sometimes a reference or background check holds us up a little.

Don’t be shy to reach out to the recruitment team if you have any questions but typically it takes 3 weeks before you hear any news from the team.
Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave!
do you have an email or direct fax for recruiting? Appreciate your help?
J
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by '97 Tercel » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:45 pm

calm down
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Re: 2020 Hiring

Post by DaveP » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:55 pm

J-Y-M wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:40 pm
DaveP wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:16 pm
Hi!
3 courses in March. Calls are going out all the time as we try and give as much notice as possible - but sometimes a reference or background check holds us up a little.

Don’t be shy to reach out to the recruitment team if you have any questions but typically it takes 3 weeks before you hear any news from the team.
Cheers
Dave


Hi Dave!
Do you have an email where I can send my resume to mainline. The website link is not there anymore
Thank you
J
https://career4.successfactors.com/care ... kk6L7w8%3d
Hi There,
The link is showing open - let me know if you are still having issues.
Cheers
Dave
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