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 Post subject: Westprop to YCG?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:05 pm 
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Lots of talk in the press lately that Westjet is considering this destination for their regional.
What are the chances of this acutally happening? The Q400 seems a bit large for this route, especially considering Jazz and Pasco already serve the area.

Thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Westprop to YCG?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:04 am 
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If WS adds Castlegar - perhaps it's based on the ability to build an RNP approach with some decent minimums.

I haven't been into the Gar in several years so could someone shed some light on what WX you need to land these days with GPS approaches or whatever works best to get in excluding the tricks used by operators such as the former NavAir.

If an RNP approach can beat the present day mins then maybe a case can be made for being the only airline that can run in and out with good reliability.


JJJ


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 Post subject: Re: Westprop to YCG?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:42 am 
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jjj wrote:
If WS adds Castlegar - perhaps it's based on the ability to build an RNP approach with some decent minimums.

I haven't been into the Gar in several years so could someone shed some light on what WX you need to land these days with GPS approaches or whatever works best to get in excluding the tricks used by operators such as the former NavAir.

If an RNP approach can beat the present day mins then maybe a case can be made for being the only airline that can run in and out with good reliability.


JJJ


Nothing can beat canceling, and heading through a gap in the cloud over the Arrow Lakes. Just have to have faith and balls, or maybe someone can dig an old copy of the RCAP for the Loc approach, it got you way lower... I don't know if an RNP would do a whole lot better... issue has always been the climb gradient for the miss, or getting out after you land...


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 Post subject: Re: Westprop to YCG?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:07 am 
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Alti you are correct.

There is a straight-in ILS in Alaska - forget airport name - with 1000 foot mins. Getting in is easy but escaping terrain on the missed is not.

The beauty of RNP is that it allows us to snake our way in like we do landing in YLW's 34 without circling. We can also snake our way out on a go around like we do in YKA - might be enough for some lower mins in the GARR!!!

I do miss seeing the NavAir guys circling in a few spots in BC whilst below airport elevation. Circle over the town in YXT - pop up - land. Hey what could go wrong????

Cheers.

JJJ


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 Post subject: Re: Westprop to YCG?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:58 pm 
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It's more like the media in Castlegar, and other locations, are working themselves into a frenzy about the theoretical possibility that WJX could operate in YCG.

With 76-78 seats, I think you'll see far more substitution of airframes out of existing city pairs in the early days of WJX than the addition of new destinations. In other words, free up 737 airframes from ultra short haul flying, (which for a 737, is with some notable exceptions, anything under about 300 miles), and reallocate the airframes on to more efficient, longer haul flying.

Sure, they'll be a few new destinations announced, but they'll be very carefully selected to ensure that the demand is in sync with aircraft capacity, that the destination doesn't overly canibalize other operations and that the service can operate with sched reliability year round. Oh yea....it better pencil in with "no BS" op margins at least 15%.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure which airports are likely in and strategically speaking, which ones have a higher priority over others.

The airport conference is a good way of obtaining market info for the WJ planning team. It's also a good way to control the never ending enquiries that are likely very time consuming for the team to have to deal with. They'll get what they need and be able to politely give the airports a "don't call us, we'll call you" message.

It's a short haul airline. WJ regularly and extremely successfully launched countless markets in the first 5-7 years with little more than 45 days, and as little as 30 days, advance ticket sales. WJ's original launch sched in 1996 wasn't set until about 3 days before the announcement of sales in early Feb with the first flight on the last day of the month.

Smaller airports can make the changes necessary in a surprisingly short period of time. Comox and Abbotsford come to mind. YXX turned a truck washing bay into a terminal in about 6 weeks......

I think it unlikely WJX could launch before the middle to end of 2Q 2013 so you can kinda do the math here.

Besides, why would WJ prematurely announce new destinations any earlier than necessary and give their competitors all the time in the world to devise a competitive response?

I'd do a SRB and publicly not confirm or deny any of the 30+ likely new destinations a mature WJX could ultimately operate into until the very last minute, ie, for a June 2013 launch, no earlier than about Easter 2013.

Keep 'em guessing.

The competition only have so many fingers and toes.

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 Post subject: Re: Westprop to YCG?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:06 pm 
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jjj wrote:
Alti you are correct.

I do miss seeing the NavAir guys circling in a few spots in BC whilst below airport elevation. Circle over the town in YXT - pop up - land. Hey what could go wrong????


Yeah that was pretty sweet.


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