KK7 wrote:do you mean to say the current Executive is secretly fighting for the company and don't have the pilots best interest in mind? If so why don't we go ahead and recall them? I am pretty confident that the current WJPA executive is not throwing anyone under the bus. The WPPA executive on the other hand seem to be throwing Encore pilots under the bus.
No and Yes. I can tell you that people at Encore have gone to the WJPA for help on big issues only to be told to go fly a kite. They sure don't seem to be fighting too hard when it might cost the company some money in terms of a 'grievance.' I'm not involved in the contract negotiations and yes, I do believe that the negotiating team is working hard on this.
KK7 wrote:Have you asked the WPPA what will happen to the WPDL?
Yes, I have. Their position is that there exists a document with my name and 300 other pilots at Encore. This is very unusual in that we don't belong to the company but have a place holder. Still, since the document exists today, it remains in force until something else gets negotiated. The WPPA want to strengthen the list and make it a true date of hire seniority list. You will be able to fly what ever aircraft from which ever seat your seniority number will allow you to hold. Each aircraft will have their own pay scale but they want to get rid of the divisions like charging Encore twice as much for their medical dental benefits. The current system is based on being in good standing (pretty vague statement with no definition) and could be flipped on its head tomorrow by the sole option of the company.
Where there is a 96% will to include Encore, there will be a way to accomplish it. If you get rid of the one list and management will have to come up with a new way to attract talent. Money would have to go (way) up. Lifestyle would have to (greatly) improve. Work days would have to decrease from 20. Either way it would be a win.
KK7 wrote:Refer to the PACT AGM minutes. For pilots has been hinted strongly that the intent is to negotiate a single agreement for both pilot groups the next round.
I have read through the AGM minutes for 2013 and 2014. No mention in either document. I can't find the actual minutes for 2015, but I read through all of the motions. There isn't one motion to even consider opening a channel to discuss merging Encore. If you can point me to a document on westnet that contains a reference to this, let me know.
Next round is in 2020? By then, the WPPA will either be a distant memory or will be running the show. I don't know which but waiting until then to merge the two groups will be too little too late. We will become a more fractious, divided group if we continue to hire off the street for the 737 for the next five years.
I too want us to be one harmonious group. I really don't want to see us pitted against each other and treated differently. No one likes to feel like an inferior employee. I don't see the WPPA as the big threat that others do. They're being run by former members of the WJPA and have consulted with SWAPA so they're not completely amateurs. I'm also not certain that they are the solution to all of my problems. I am actually approaching this with an open mind and trying to seek first hand information. The sad thing is that when the time comes, I won't have a say in the decision since I'm not at mainline. This bothers me more than thinly veiled threats from management and almost childish finger pointing from the current ring masters.
Yes, the WJPA has a track record because they have been the only sanctioned group representing pilots. Comparing the track records is like judging an elephant and a monkey on their abilities to climb a tree.
KK7 wrote:Ferio has said a lot of things.
My bad. This is a little off topic and could be its own 3 page thread.
So to my original point, this isn't as scary as the WJPA are making it out to sound. I stand by my opinion if the wide body pilots are treated as well as 737 pilots, then Encore should be as well. I really don't care who manages to accomplish this.
