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YYZ YYT YWG YYC
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leftoftrack wrote:YYZ YYT YWG YYC

You forgot YVR and YEG.
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Invades London?

Do you happen to be German?
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Westjet invades LON
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Wow...I wonder if they will be lucky to fill half of the seats with the frequency of flights? Plus, no hot meals and kool-aid antics for ten hours blah blah lol!
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LivingLife wrote:Wow...I wonder if they will be lucky to fill half of the seats with the frequency of flights? Plus, no hot meals and kool-aid antics for ten hours blah blah lol!
Yes, there are hot meals on the 767. If the current flights to Dublin and Glasgow are any sign, they will have not problem filling seats.
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LivingLife wrote:Wow...I wonder if they will be lucky to fill half of the seats with the frequency of flights? Plus, no hot meals and kool-aid antics for ten hours blah blah lol!
You don't do much research.
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Mom limits his ipad time. Not his fault.
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LMAO! Anything gets you owners worked up! Maybe this will too....I'd gladly pay more to fly with AC, IMO more professional and better service. It's true what they say, you get what you pay for;)
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Re the meals, there is no mention of meal service when you are offered the flights through the westjet booking site. So are we to conclude there are no meals offered or perhaps that the site has yet to be updated to indicate meal service? The only meal mention can be found at: http://www.westjet.com/pdf/travel/basic ... enu-en.pdf and this only mentions the limited domestic service. The AirCanada site continues to show the applicable meal service for each flight.
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Will these flights be augmented or is it just two tired pilots flying through the night for 9-10 hours?
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2 tired pilots FlyGuy.

These guys are gonna get their asses handed to them.

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jjj wrote:2 tired pilots FlyGuy.

These guys are gonna get their asses handed to them.

JJJ
Till something like the Air Canada incedent heading to Zurich happens, WS isn't unsafe they're economical
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jjj wrote:2 tired pilots FlyGuy.
Where did you hear that?
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leftoftrack wrote:
jjj wrote:2 tired pilots FlyGuy.

These guys are gonna get their asses handed to them.

JJJ
Till something like the Air Canada incedent heading to Zurich happens, WS isn't unsafe they're economical
Unfortunately, that incident changed nothing with respect to how Air Canada mitigates pilot fatigue and, more importantly, how Transport Canada and the Conservative government of Canada view pilot fatigue. Passengers were paid off and I am amazed at how quiet that incident was. It should have been the catalyst for positive change in the name of safety. Canada has the WORST fatigue mitigation in the world with no respect for Circadian rhythm. I was hoping Westjet would voluntarily raise the standard cuz Air Canada won't until it is written in blood.
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yycflyguy wrote:
leftoftrack wrote:
jjj wrote:2 tired pilots FlyGuy.

These guys are gonna get their asses handed to them.

JJJ
Till something like the Air Canada incedent heading to Zurich happens, WS isn't unsafe they're economical
Unfortunately, that incident changed nothing with respect to how Air Canada mitigates pilot fatigue and, more importantly, how Transport Canada and the Conservative government of Canada view pilot fatigue. Passengers were paid off and I am amazed at how quiet that incident was. It should have been the catalyst for positive change in the name of safety. Canada has the WORST fatigue mitigation in the world with no respect for Circadian rhythm. I was hoping Westjet would voluntarily raise the standard cuz Air Canada won't until it is written in blood.
Didn't Air Canada start augmenting that flight?
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leftoftrack wrote:
yycflyguy wrote:
Unfortunately, that incident changed nothing with respect to how Air Canada mitigates pilot fatigue and, more importantly, how Transport Canada and the Conservative government of Canada view pilot fatigue. Passengers were paid off and I am amazed at how quiet that incident was. It should have been the catalyst for positive change in the name of safety. Canada has the WORST fatigue mitigation in the world with no respect for Circadian rhythm. I was hoping Westjet would voluntarily raise the standard cuz Air Canada won't until it is written in blood.
Didn't Air Canada start augmenting that flight?
It was always "augmented". The RP sat in the back of the plane sipping Malbec through the dead of night over the Atlantic with only 2 operating pilots because it was under 9 hours block time but was an active crew member for the return flight that is over 9 hours... you know, for the daytime flight where Circadian Rhythms are not as impacted. Nothing has been improved as far as mitigating Crew Fatigue.
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yycflyguy wrote: Canada has the WORST fatigue mitigation in the world with no respect for Circadian rhythm. I was hoping Westjet would voluntarily raise the standard cuz Air Canada won't until it is written in blood.
Unfortunately, Canada is nowhere near the worst in the world with fatiguing schedules. Try not to get carried away with the rhetoric.
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complexintentions wrote:
yycflyguy wrote: Canada has the WORST fatigue mitigation in the world with no respect for Circadian rhythm. I was hoping Westjet would voluntarily raise the standard cuz Air Canada won't until it is written in blood.
Unfortunately, Canada is nowhere near the worst in the world with fatiguing schedules. Try not to get carried away with the rhetoric.
Well thats fucking depressing.
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CARS duty regs are worse than the Americans, Europeans... Maybe the worst in the civilised world?

They are worse than ICAO standard so maybe worse than much of the rest?

Who's worse? What's the schtick?
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What happened in the Zurich incident?
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pelmet wrote:What happened in the Zurich incident?
Here, let me google that for you:

http://lmgtfy.com/

Seriously, Google "air canada fatigue Zurich" and the answer shall reveal itself.
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Basically a guy woke up from 'controlled' rest and was staring at Venus, bright in the night sky, and thought it was an aircraft coming in head on. He pushed the plane down to where there actually was an aircraft and the push-over/recovery by the other pilot sent a few people in the back for a toss. There were some minor injuries and people sued the airline.
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yycflyguy wrote:
leftoftrack wrote:
yycflyguy wrote:
Unfortunately, that incident changed nothing with respect to how Air Canada mitigates pilot fatigue and, more importantly, how Transport Canada and the Conservative government of Canada view pilot fatigue. Passengers were paid off and I am amazed at how quiet that incident was. It should have been the catalyst for positive change in the name of safety. Canada has the WORST fatigue mitigation in the world with no respect for Circadian rhythm. I was hoping Westjet would voluntarily raise the standard cuz Air Canada won't until it is written in blood.
Didn't Air Canada start augmenting that flight?
It was always "augmented". The RP sat in the back of the plane sipping Malbec through the dead of night over the Atlantic with only 2 operating pilots because it was under 9 hours block time but was an active crew member for the return flight that is over 9 hours... you know, for the daytime flight where Circadian Rhythms are not as impacted. Nothing has been improved as far as mitigating Crew Fatigue.
Doesn't AC get full credit for DHing? What is the point of having the guy DH if you have to pay him the same either way!?

Canada is seriously overdue for those flight and duty time regulation changes!
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Nope. Scheduled DH attracts 1/2 pay, 1/2 credit. Don't forget, AC is only paying half credit for an RP in the back that is generally on the low end of the pay scale. They are only saving pennies when fatigue safety is at play.

Next time you fly to Europe, buy your operating crew a cup of coffee to get through the night... they are gonna need it.
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