WPPA visits ALPA

[St.Paddy's]

True North,

Your comments are asinine and derogatory. Your a guy sitting on the couch yelling at the T.V telling the guy he shouldn't have swung at that pitch, or the receiver didn't run fast enough for that ball. Your right this is a public forum and your comments describing the individuals who support the union are generalizing nearly 600 pilots that voted yes. That's a very high percentage of lazy and useless pilot's.

Keep yelling at the T.V and divulging your amazing 40 years of experience but from my experience if you don't actually know what's happening and your on a public forum trying to get parties to divulge specifics maybe you should just turn your mute button on for once.

[brooks]

ALPA is exactly what the pilot group doesn't need. If you think 45% was a strong show of support just watch that go up in smoke. If the WJPA just realized the inevitable, that at the current rate of growth there will be a need to have a separate certified representation that has the legal backing necessary for the conpany's commercial pilots to operate safely. An association will eventually not cut it. I think this is a bad move on the part of the WPPA and a step in the wrong direction if certification is what the WPPA is trying to achieve.

[fish4life]

I'm confused why people think a union will make anything better? Also as for bases was anyone "forced" to move? As far as I understand it nobody was forced to move in fact didn't the company offer a very good amount of money to encourage a move? If they were forced then I stand corrected. If the company didn't open up a Toronto base I could almost guarantee you guys would not be getting 767's which I would think is a good thing.

[True North]

True North,

Your comments are asinine and derogatory. Your a guy sitting on the couch yelling at the T.V telling the guy he shouldn't have swung at that pitch, or the receiver didn't run fast enough for that ball. Your right this is a public forum and your comments describing the individuals who support the union are generalizing nearly 600 pilots that voted yes. That's a very high percentage of lazy and useless pilot's.

Keep yelling at the T.V and divulging your amazing 40 years of experience but from my experience if you don't actually know what's happening and your on a public forum trying to get parties to divulge specifics maybe you should just turn your mute button on for once.

Oh dear, I've hurt your feelings.

Whatever.

And your diatribe is meant to what? Insult me? Hurt my feelings? You're (see how I spelled that) wasting your (and that, see the difference?) time and bandwidth. I could not care less what you think of me. If you really want to shut me up, stop saying stupid stuff on the internet that you aren't prepared or capable of backing up. "The company lied to me. They don't care about me anymore. They opened up a new base and now they want me to move." Boo fricken hoo. WestJet is a big airline now, with aspirations to become global. It's a business - BIG business so tighten your sphincter because I'm betting more changes are coming and you don't seem very well equipped to handle them.

Just a couple of short months ago the majority of your pilots voted no to certification but that doesn't seem to matter to you. You and your ilk want to force another vote so you go running off to ALPA. Mom said no so you go ask dad. Do you really not see how incredibly pathetic that looks?

So which are you Paddy? The weak link or entitled?

[True North]

I'm confused why people think a union will make anything better?

You won't get an answer to that, because there isn't one. And you're right, no one was forced to move to a new base. The entitled crowd that will try to tell you different.

[beaverguy]

I'm confused why people think a union will make anything better?

You won't get an answer to that, because there isn't one. And you're right, no one was forced to move to a new base. The entitled crowd that will try to tell you different.

Mr North.

I am very glad we did not hire you many years ago. Time to let it go. You have no skin in our game. Perhaps you could continue your career as an English teacher. Your teaching of grammar is very impressive. I feel there is no further need to discuss this with you. Not because I don't know what is going on inside our company, but because you don't.

[St.Paddy's]

True North,

Never cared what you thought and never expected to stop you from trolling. There are great men and women that work at WestJet no matter what camp they sit in. You made comments that insulted colleagues who are very good friends of mine and I thought it prudent to waste time in responding to you. I don't typically post on here and won't from now on. While you are on you're carton though I hope your having a great day sir.

[TheStig]

Is this the airlines way of telling the WPPA to 'let it go'…?

http://blog.westjet.com/disney-frozen-themed-plane/

[True North]

Mr North.

I am very glad we did not hire you many years ago. Time to let it go. You have no skin in our game. Perhaps you could continue your career as an English teacher. Your teaching of grammar is very impressive. I feel there is no further need to discuss this with you. Not because I don't know what is going on inside our company, but because you don't.

In a previous post you stated that “…since “the vote” (sic) and the only information put out by the current association is a survey on the golf tournament”. This was immediately refuted by one of your own guys so we have established that you are not above lying to promote your cause.

It’s easy to go on the internet and make inflammatory statements in an attempt to further your cause, like your comment about “empty promises”. If you actually substantiate that statement you might even garner some support. As it stands, it just looks like another lie. Deflecting it by stating you won’t discuss it further is childish and cowardly. No credibility.

Anyone who has ever been around during a union drive is not surprised by any of this.

And it was a spelling lesson, not a grammar lesson.

[Tacoma]

ALPA dues are based on 1.9% of the pilots salary. No WJ pilots "salary" is 315K. Their Total Compensation includes SALARY, ESP, Profit Share, Stock Options, etc etc.

Year 12 Captain $196.62hr X 930 straight time hours= $182,857 @ 1.9% = $3474 which with the tax deduction would be approx $2200 yr.

Year 3 FO at $81.01hr X 930 Straight time hours = $75,339 @ 1.9% = $1431 with the tax deduction guessing $900 yr?

WJPA dues are increasing to $520yr with no tax deductions under the current constitution.

[sarg]

ALPA dues are based on 1.9% of the pilots salary. No WJ pilots "salary" is 315K. Their Total Compensation includes SALARY, ESP, Profit Share, Stock Options, etc etc.

Year 12 Captain $196.62hr X 930 straight time hours= $182,857 @ 1.9% = $3474 which with the tax deduction would be approx $2200 yr.

Year 3 FO at $81.01hr X 930 Straight time hours = $75,339 @ 1.9% = $1431 with the tax deduction guessing $900 yr?

WJPA dues are increasing to $520yr with no tax deductions under the current constitution.

Tacoma,
Do you have an ALPA contract, I don't. Just wondering what their definition of salary is? It might include a lot of the item in the total compensation including OT, which could drive the numbers up.

Cheers

[Notta Simfalt]

Alpa dues are taken from your T4 pay. So it includes OT and any other pay, like check pilot extra wages. Not on employee share purchase or expenses.

[aerobod]

A WestJet T4 besides base salary and overtime will include as income the employer and employee share purchase values, RSUs when they vest, the net benefit of stock options when they are exercised and other income (such as when the company gives a free confirmed flight, it will be taxed at 50% as income, as it is an employment benefit) , the only thing not include as income are expenses.

[Squid]

On top of Justin's new 33% tax and your new NDP provincial tax of 13 or 14% why not allow a little more from alpa for a great shiny magazine. I wonder what it cost for the Canadian alpa exec to go down and meet cass.