WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

[Squid]

What did they do for your guy that got fired? (For drinking)

[mikeecho]

He should perhaps read and learn from the poster "Dagger"'s comments. Now there's someone who's forgotten more about the industry than Realitychex will ever know...

With all due respect to Dagger, a simple look at their respective resumes would tell a different tale. One is a PR/Advertising guy and one helped start up 2 very successful and profitable airlines.

Both likely have a vested interest in sharing their "perspectives" on internet forums. One is likely paid to post as part of strategic public relations duties representing a red airline and one probably has millions of dollars worth stocks with a teal airline.

[FICU]

What did they do for your guy that got fired? (For drinking)

He came back for a period of time then left for an overseas gig.

Next question?

[brooks]

So this has gotten a tad of topic.
Looks like the 767 operations have smoothed out a bit. Any rumours on the 787 orders?

[ckl]

"Smoothed out a bit"

(WS) WestJet 23
(LGW) London, EN, GB to (YVR) Vancouver, BC, CA
Status:
En-Route - Delayed 107 minutes
Last change to status 3 minutes ago
DEPARTURE ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
10:55 AM - Wed Aug-10-2016 1:05 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Actual Departure: Estimated Gate Arrival:
12:24 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016 2:52 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Arrival Gate: Baggage Claim:
D71 (Terminal I) 25

[brooks]

lol
This never happens to AC.

BTW, hows that AC stock price going?

[Realitychex]

He should perhaps read and learn from the poster "Dagger"'s comments. Now there's someone who's forgotten more about the industry than Realitychex will ever know...

With all due respect to Dagger, a simple look at their respective resumes would tell a different tale. One is a PR/Advertising guy and one helped start up 2 very successful and profitable airlines.

Both likely have a vested interest in sharing their "perspectives" on internet forums. One is likely paid to post as part of strategic public relations duties representing a red airline and one probably has millions of dollars worth stocks with a teal airline.

Three actually. But who's counting?

Dagger is a bright guy. We just happen to disagree on a couple of files.

[TheStig]

BTW, hows that AC stock price going?

That's not really much of a dig as most AC employee's don't actively follow the stock price that closely. There is a stock match program for employees, but matches are made annually and based on the dollar amount contributed not the number of shares purchased. The WJ stock program and profit sharing are more generous from what I've been told, but from an employee perspective at AC they're really just 'perks' and certainly not counted on to pay the mortgage and more importantly not used in place of a pension plan.

WJ has an established history of profitability so I gather it employee must be comfortable with having such a large percentage of their income tied to share price and profit sharing. That's good because WJ's hourly wages are certainly at the low end of the industry. What year was the most recent 737 Captain hired? What will be their starting hourly rate? $150/Hour? The CEO has come out and said that if pilots want to see any further WB expansion the pilots are going to have to come to the table?

[mantogasrsrwy]

From what I can see on the "Canadian Pilot Pay" website Westjet pilots make more than Sunwing and Transat pilots even without the company shares etc. I guess when you compare the pay to AC mainline and the American legacy carriers the pay is below them but it seems to me it's the second best airline gig in Canada for pay and it could be argued the best for job security.

[ckl]

Is there a parts shortage for the 737 now....a 11 hour delay?

[DaveP]

Hi
One of the pilots got hurt on his layover. He's fine but can't fly.
Cheers

[ckl]

Sorry to hear that, but glad he will be OK.

[crazyaviator]

Whats the chances they didnt tell the passengers the truth ? Air Canada is notorious for that !

[yycflyguy]

"Smoothed out a bit"

(WS) WestJet 23
(LGW) London, EN, GB to (YVR) Vancouver, BC, CA
Status:
En-Route - Delayed 107 minutes
Last change to status 3 minutes ago
DEPARTURE ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
10:55 AM - Wed Aug-10-2016 1:05 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Actual Departure: Estimated Gate Arrival:
12:24 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016 2:52 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Arrival Gate: Baggage Claim:
D71 (Terminal I) 25

9:30-10 hour flight. Plus an 1:15 check in. Plus 1:45 delay. Plus transportation to the airport. Plus 15 minute Check out. Around a 13.5 hour duty day crossing the Atlantic with two guys. Almost as bad as rouge.

How many crossings per month are your pilots doing?

How often do Westjet B767 pilots talk about this:

Fitness of Flight Crew Members

602.02 No operator of an aircraft shall require any person to act as a flight crew member and no person shall act as a flight crew member, if either the person or the operator has any reason to believe, having regard to the circumstances of the particular flight to be undertaken, that the person

(a) is suffering or is likely to suffer from fatigue; or

(b) is otherwise unfit to perform properly the person’s duties as a flight crew member.

[Radcap442]

You really have no idea. If all you can do is try and stir, dont bother. The program is just fine, top notch management on the 767, all the support we need. I am having a great time

[yycflyguy]

You really have no idea. If all you can do is try and stir, dont bother. The program is just fine, top notch management on the 767, all the support we need. I am having a great time

So nobody gets tired doing 6 or 7 crossings a month with no augment?

[Old fella]

You really have no idea. If all you can do is try and stir, dont bother. The program is just fine, top notch management on the 767, all the support we need. I am having a great time

So nobody gets tired doing 6 or 7 crossings a month with no augment?

That would tire me out as a passenger, let alone flying the thing...............

[outflying8]

As far as the flying itself, with so much automation, most of the flight is not exherting, there are a lot of smaller things like altitude changes or vectors, changing frequencies but nothing major really until arrival/departure in which case is similar to most every other flight... the flight crew (pilots) may also take place in whats called a controlled rest (sleep on the flight deck- one at a time obviously)......the worst part of doing that leg by far is the time zone hopping....trying to sleep at 3 in the am when your body thinks it is really 8pm is quite a challenge....also why all the layovers there for crew are minimum 24 hours....the biggest issue with the 67s is that they came with some issues after Boeing guaranteed they would be good to go. I dont recall reading anything but I would be shocked if WestJet didn't sue boeing for loss of income and expenses of repairs

[snag]

Whoa..hold on a sec.

The pilot exits the cockpit while a flight attendant stays in the flight deck for the duration of the controlled rest period?

[av8ts]

Relief F/a's at half the cost of a relief pilot.