WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#51 Post by PostmasterGeneral » Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:19 am

George Taylor wrote:
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Squid wrote:Wouldn't hold my breath there. they aren't exactly helping with much these days at the shops. Transat comes to mind. Post of the year btw.
Are you kidding?

ALPA membership gets you IFALPA membership. And if you ever find yourself in an accident or locked up in a foreign country I am certain that you will appreciate the resources that are made available.

But don't let that stop you from clinging to the notion that your employer will take care of you.
How's ALPA working for the Transat pilots in Scotland ?

Potentially breaking the law, and being involved in an accident or incident are two very different things. I do know that ALPA membership provides you access to a VERY experienced legal team, free of charge. Whether or not they can prevent your peepee from hitting the meat grinder is entirely dependent on how badly you effed up.
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#52 Post by av8ts » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:39 am

"Good god James I'm a lawyer not a magician"
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#53 Post by TheStig » Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:37 am

I wouldn't expect to hear anything negative about their employer on a public forum from any Westjet employee's.

http://thetyee.ca/News/2016/03/22/WestJ ... stigation/

Three days after Lewis was fired, Kufuor-Boakye was terminated. WestJet's investigators obtained a U.S. court order to determine that five online videos mocking the airline had been posted from an IP address at his house. The videos were defamatory and grounds for dismissal, the company said.


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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#54 Post by lazyeight » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:49 am

North Korea from the inside?
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#55 Post by brooks » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:31 am

F*** ALPA. Useless American Union. The Transat guys out of jail yet? I guess ALPA couldn't really help them there.
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#56 Post by chaster » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:01 am

brooks wrote:F*** ALPA. Useless American Union. The Transat guys out of jail yet? I guess ALPA couldn't really help them there.
Nice! Hope ya never slip one off and have to see how GS will cover your Arse.... And ya they are ... TKS for your concern!
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#57 Post by Maxpwr » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:59 am

Who the hell told you ALPA could bail you out of jail for showing up to work drunk? Are you dim or something? Those two will get REPRESENTATION not a free pass. As far I'm concerned if they were in fact under the influence then they should lose their license and go find work at Wal-Mart. Why the hell anyone needs to drink so damn much that they're still messed up the next day is beyond me. Good riddance.
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#58 Post by chaster » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:20 am

Maxpwr wrote:Who the hell told you ALPA could bail you out of jail for showing up to work drunk? Are you dim or something? Those two will get REPRESENTATION not a free pass. As far I'm concerned if they were in fact under the influence then they should lose their license and go find work at Wal-Mart. Why the hell anyone needs to drink so damn much that they're still messed up the next day is beyond me. Good riddance.
Who's Post are you referring Too BTW?
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#59 Post by Maxpwr » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:10 pm

Brooks.

Ya I should have quoted. Sorry.
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#60 Post by FICU » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:58 pm

ALPA has been the best thing to happen to our pilot group.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...
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#61 Post by Squid » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:27 am

What did they do for your guy that got fired? (For drinking)
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#62 Post by mikeecho » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:53 pm

complexintentions wrote: He should perhaps read and learn from the poster "Dagger"'s comments. Now there's someone who's forgotten more about the industry than Realitychex will ever know...
With all due respect to Dagger, a simple look at their respective resumes would tell a different tale. One is a PR/Advertising guy and one helped start up 2 very successful and profitable airlines.

Both likely have a vested interest in sharing their "perspectives" on internet forums. One is likely paid to post as part of strategic public relations duties representing a red airline and one probably has millions of dollars worth stocks with a teal airline.
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#63 Post by FICU » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:36 pm

Squid wrote:What did they do for your guy that got fired? (For drinking)
He came back for a period of time then left for an overseas gig.

Next question?
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#64 Post by brooks » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:00 pm

So this has gotten a tad of topic.
Looks like the 767 operations have smoothed out a bit. Any rumours on the 787 orders?
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#65 Post by ckl » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:11 am

"Smoothed out a bit"

(WS) WestJet 23
(LGW) London, EN, GB to (YVR) Vancouver, BC, CA
Status:
En-Route - Delayed 107 minutes
Last change to status 3 minutes ago
DEPARTURE ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
10:55 AM - Wed Aug-10-2016 1:05 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Actual Departure: Estimated Gate Arrival:
12:24 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016 2:52 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Arrival Gate: Baggage Claim:
D71 (Terminal I) 25
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#66 Post by brooks » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:02 pm

lol
This never happens to AC.

BTW, hows that AC stock price going?
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#67 Post by Realitychex » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:04 pm

mikeecho wrote:
complexintentions wrote: He should perhaps read and learn from the poster "Dagger"'s comments. Now there's someone who's forgotten more about the industry than Realitychex will ever know...
With all due respect to Dagger, a simple look at their respective resumes would tell a different tale. One is a PR/Advertising guy and one helped start up 2 very successful and profitable airlines.

Both likely have a vested interest in sharing their "perspectives" on internet forums. One is likely paid to post as part of strategic public relations duties representing a red airline and one probably has millions of dollars worth stocks with a teal airline.
Three actually. But who's counting?

Dagger is a bright guy. We just happen to disagree on a couple of files.

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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#68 Post by TheStig » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:50 am

brooks wrote: BTW, hows that AC stock price going?
That's not really much of a dig as most AC employee's don't actively follow the stock price that closely. There is a stock match program for employees, but matches are made annually and based on the dollar amount contributed not the number of shares purchased. The WJ stock program and profit sharing are more generous from what I've been told, but from an employee perspective at AC they're really just 'perks' and certainly not counted on to pay the mortgage and more importantly not used in place of a pension plan.

WJ has an established history of profitability so I gather it employee must be comfortable with having such a large percentage of their income tied to share price and profit sharing. That's good because WJ's hourly wages are certainly at the low end of the industry. What year was the most recent 737 Captain hired? What will be their starting hourly rate? $150/Hour? The CEO has come out and said that if pilots want to see any further WB expansion the pilots are going to have to come to the table?
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#69 Post by mantogasrsrwy » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:07 pm

From what I can see on the "Canadian Pilot Pay" website Westjet pilots make more than Sunwing and Transat pilots even without the company shares etc. I guess when you compare the pay to AC mainline and the American legacy carriers the pay is below them but it seems to me it's the second best airline gig in Canada for pay and it could be argued the best for job security.
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#70 Post by ckl » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:26 am

Is there a parts shortage for the 737 now....a 11 hour delay?
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#71 Post by DaveP » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:29 pm

Hi
One of the pilots got hurt on his layover. He's fine but can't fly.
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#72 Post by ckl » Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:50 pm

Sorry to hear that, but glad he will be OK.
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#73 Post by crazyaviator » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:00 pm

Whats the chances they didnt tell the passengers the truth ? Air Canada is notorious for that !
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#74 Post by yycflyguy » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:50 am

ckl wrote:"Smoothed out a bit"

(WS) WestJet 23
(LGW) London, EN, GB to (YVR) Vancouver, BC, CA
Status:
En-Route - Delayed 107 minutes
Last change to status 3 minutes ago
DEPARTURE ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
10:55 AM - Wed Aug-10-2016 1:05 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Actual Departure: Estimated Gate Arrival:
12:24 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016 2:52 PM - Wed Aug-10-2016
Arrival Gate: Baggage Claim:
D71 (Terminal I) 25
9:30-10 hour flight. Plus an 1:15 check in. Plus 1:45 delay. Plus transportation to the airport. Plus 15 minute Check out. Around a 13.5 hour duty day crossing the Atlantic with two guys. Almost as bad as rouge.

How many crossings per month are your pilots doing?

How often do Westjet B767 pilots talk about this:

Fitness of Flight Crew Members

602.02 No operator of an aircraft shall require any person to act as a flight crew member and no person shall act as a flight crew member, if either the person or the operator has any reason to believe, having regard to the circumstances of the particular flight to be undertaken, that the person

(a) is suffering or is likely to suffer from fatigue; or

(b) is otherwise unfit to perform properly the person’s duties as a flight crew member.
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Re: WestJet flights to London prompting a wave of complaints

#75 Post by Radcap442 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:13 pm

You really have no idea. If all you can do is try and stir, dont bother. The program is just fine, top notch management on the 767, all the support we need. I am having a great time
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