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So is it you or is it ALPA that says your current agreement has no legal status?.80@410 wrote:The only people currently making this adversarial is management and the WJPA with their "voice of management " fear mongering.
Alpa has been nothing but professional .
Encore won't lose their one list ( Management can't attract pilots without it- they want it more than the pilots do, lol )
And seniority won't happen. No one wants it or even talks about it online. But hey, use whatever tools you have right ?
All I've seen you guys do is dismiss anyone who disagrees with going ALPA is dismiss the messengers. This is known as the weakest form of argument and indicates an inability to articulate a decent rebuttal..80@410 wrote:The only people currently making this adversarial is management and the WJPA with their "voice of management " fear mongering.
Alpa has been nothing but professional .
Encore won't lose their one list ( Management can't attract pilots without it- they want it more than the pilots do, lol )
And seniority won't happen. No one wants it or even talks about it online. But hey, use whatever tools you have right ?
Wow. That was a desperate post.Rotten Apple #1 wrote:Oh how cute you are mr. rudder. I'm just amazed there exist gullible people like you after the experience in the 20th century that saw the complete dispelling of any notion of centrally planned economies making any sense. We are competitive beings. We are not by nature communists. Why compete for anything if there is a specified wage or specified price for goods and services? By the way, what was the price you had in mind for the YYZ-LHR route? I assume all companies will charge the same under your belief system?rudder wrote:Apparently you may be one of the subscribers to the notion that employers should be able to use pilot pay as a competitive tool. Hopefully you and people that think like you will remain in the minority.Rotten Apple #1 wrote:
In unity, your comrade,
Felix
It would certainly appear that the majority of the WJ pilots are about to take the first step of taking that corporate strategy off the table. Hopefully ACPA will do the same and resist offers to expand the Rouge b-scale pilot population of the AC pilot seniority list.
Employers have every right to add seats, create brands, and charge extra for carry on bags or advance seat selection if that is their chosen tactic for preserving or increasing market share. But they should NOT rely on pilots agreeing to fly cheaper in order to achieve this objective.
Pilots are no different from any other occupation in a market economy. People will either apply for the jobs at the advertised wage or they will not. By the same token, WJ will either employ pilots at its planned ULCC at its planned wages or it will not. Should the pilots decide to go with ALPA, I'm sure WJ has a back up plan to start its ULCC in the manner it has planned.
ALPA was in large part responsible for the run up in wages and benefits in the airline industry south of the border that eled to the cycle of bankruptcy and restart that plagued airlines in the 80's and later.
IF ALPA is successful, I'll watch from the sidelines. I won't be joining the union and I won't be walking a stike line but I'll glady cross it. I didn't get into aviation because of the brotherhood and I'm not going to start now. I don't care what intimidation tactics ALPA goons employ from blanket parties, whistles, or keying my 1998 Ford Explorer, and I don't care what the the reaction of my co-workers is. I was hired by WJ and I've been treated very well here and I believe in keeping my company nimble enough to react to market conditions in order to avoid the dung heap of obscalescence that is thre history of North American airlines.
WJ enabled me to make $370,000 in 2015 and in spite of a skydiving injury that had me off work for 4.5 months in 2016, I still made $302,000 plus 4.5 x $8000/month tax free. I'll keep what I have thank you very much. But if they do manage a CBA, I'm sure my seniority will have me making a bit less but working less than my junior colleagues and I'll have prime vacation off every year.
All hail the proletariat!
WestJet Scab #1
Employee #4799
You got busted.NewCommercialPilot wrote:Oh, so what, on an anonymous forum I'm supposed to be truthful? Where does it say that in the rule of internet posting.
It's a pattern: don't have a response to the argument, attack the poster.
Cheers!
Do you have a reference to support this claim?NewCommercialPilot wrote:That's nice but the duty of the MEC is to its bargaining unit members. Constitutionally it must protect the rights of the last member of the bargaining unit versus giving a new hire to WestJet (From.Encore or not) a higher position on the list.
Heh, the difference between a guy who thinks he's a lawyer, and one who actually is....JBI wrote:Do you have a reference to support this claim?NewCommercialPilot wrote:That's nice but the duty of the MEC is to its bargaining unit members. Constitutionally it must protect the rights of the last member of the bargaining unit versus giving a new hire to WestJet (From.Encore or not) a higher position on the list.
Unions are required to follow the mandate of what a majority of members direct them to do unless these infringe upon one of the enumerated grounds of of discrimination (race, gender, disability, age etc.). Any time a CBA gets negotiated there will be members of a group that do better than others. The ones who do 'worse' don't automatically have a recourse against the union if the union was just following its mandate.
Haha J. Why start being truthful now? Don't you see the irony in your statement compared to your carpet bombing of posting under various names? Why would anyone believe anything you say?NewCommercialPilot wrote:Oh, so what, on an anonymous forum I'm supposed to be truthful? Where does it say that in the rule of internet posting.
Well we know your opinion.Realitychex wrote:
Addendum: Like I said, AC rarely beats industry average in any metric that matters. By far the worst numbers of any publicly traded airline in North America. So much for the big turnaround.
RA1 - He is referring to someone in Hong Kong tiring of the Chinese pollution and looking to come back to Canada. I expect that his buddy flys for Cathay or similar. Fragrant Harbour is the old Chinese name for Hong Kong harbour. Check out PPRUNE and that's the name for the Cathay threads.Rotten Apple #1 wrote:What are you talking about?
RealityChex is going to make WestJet great again!TheStig wrote:Well we know your opinion.Realitychex wrote:
Addendum: Like I said, AC rarely beats industry average in any metric that matters. By far the worst numbers of any publicly traded airline in North America. So much for the big turnaround.
The share price has gone up over 30% this week. Here's another one.
http://business.financialpost.com/inves ... td-analyst
“In our view, Air Canada’s valuation remains very attractive based on any metric or comparison, particularly when considering its achievements over the past five years and its growth potential.”
Hurtin' Albertam, I do work lots. And I'd say a sizeable proportion of that flying is as the Top WestJet IROP Recovery Pilot TWIRP, specializing in covering flights that need a Captain or they'd get cancelled. One of the benefits of being the TWIRP is I can afford time off to engage in fun activities like the one I did this morning, and that wasn't sad. It was fecking awesome:hurtin'albertan wrote:Haha J. Why start being truthful now? Don't you see the irony in your statement compared to your carpet bombing of posting under various names? Why would anyone believe anything you say?NewCommercialPilot wrote:Oh, so what, on an anonymous forum I'm supposed to be truthful? Where does it say that in the rule of internet posting.
All this bs you have been spouting (one list, seniority) has been addressed a million times by alpa, straight from the horse's mouth, yet you persist in making the same inaccurate claims over and over to push your ideology and agenda. I guess if you yell something loud enough and often enough it becomes true in your own mind. Never mind what the actual facts say.
It's pretty clear you have an agenda (unlimited OT perhaps to pad your T4?) that you are worried will dry up if special deals go away once there is accountability and transparency. Where's the guy who said RUN DON'T WALK TO SIGN A CARD when his ass was on the line (you posted your story here, didn't you?)
This would be really funny if it wasn't also really sad.
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