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WJ Pilots seek ALPA unionization vote

#1 Post by CanadianEh » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:51 pm

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/we ... 04603.html


WASHINGTON, April 20, 2017 /CNW/ - WestJet pilots filed membership cards today with the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB) to hold an election for representation by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA).

"WestJet pilots told us they are ready for a certified union," said ALPA president Capt. Tim Canoll. "Now is the time for them to take the next step and vote for ALPA in order to obtain the resources available to secure their goals."

In the next few weeks, the CIRB will verify the membership cards and schedule an ALPA representation vote. ALPA expects that the secret-ballot election will be conducted in May.

"WestJet pilots have demonstrated the pilot unity needed to certify a union on the property, and we believe WestJet pilots will be successful in their election for ALPA representation," Canoll said. "The WestJet pilots work for a profitable and productive company, and with the vast resources available through ALPA representation, they will begin the process to legally negotiate the terms of their employment and establish a collective bargaining agreement under the Canada Labour Code that other union-represented aviation groups in Canada enjoy today."

ALPA Canada president Capt. Dan Adamus added, "WestJet pilots play a crucial role in the success of their airline and we look forward to their contributions to advancing success with ALPA as we work together to achieve our mutual objectives."

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world's largest pilot union, representing more than 55,000 pilots at 32 airlines in the United States and Canada, including the flightcrew members who fly for Air Georgian, Air Transat, Bearskin, Calm Air, Canadian North, First Air, Jazz Aviation, Kelowna Flightcraft, and Wasaya. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.

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#2 Post by FenceSitter » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:02 pm

I suspect this vote will result in unionization of the pilots at WestJet. It would seem that the chatter would indicate a higher level of support for this attempt. This would be, in my opinion, the first domino which would soon after be followed up by FA unionization (those concessions have to come from somewhere). All the best in the vote. I would hope that intimidation doesn't play into this vote as it very well may have last time. After PRAC, WJPA 'reformation', and the time elapsed since the last vote it would appear that WestJet has played itself into a corner and certification is the only reasonable outcome.
On a side note, I saw the picture of PB and GC with Mike Duffy. Not really the sort of politician to hitch a wagon to IMO. How could that picture possibly be seen as a positive....just google the guy. That was not very smart at all.
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#3 Post by 3down&loct » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:28 am

"on a side note, I saw the picture of PB and GC with Mike Duffy. Not really the sort of politician to hitch a wagon to IMO. How could that picture possibly be seen as a positive....just google the guy. That was not very smart at all. "

Well, when you hop in bed with a Senator you have to at least let him have a picture. :)
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#4 Post by HansDietrich » Wed May 10, 2017 7:15 am

I wonder: When they get on with ALPA and negotiate a contract, will they (still) have to clean gum off the seats, in between flights...?
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#5 Post by av8ts » Wed May 10, 2017 7:03 pm

I'm with ALPA and whenever I can I go back and help the fa's groom the cabin if that's what your referring too.
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#6 Post by FICU » Wed May 10, 2017 8:39 pm

Also with ALPA and I help cross seat belts when I can to help the F/As.
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#7 Post by Black_Tusk » Wed May 10, 2017 10:03 pm

I will always go back to help the FA's if there are no groomers at that specific station and if I have time. Most of the time they say don't worry about it, but I do a few anyways. The expectation isn't there, but I find the offer to help is always appreciated. ALPA has nothing to do with it. There will always be people who will do the absolute minimum required in their job regardless of if they are unionized or not.
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#8 Post by flyer 1492 » Thu May 11, 2017 7:35 am

Black_Tusk wrote:I will always go back to help the FA's if there are no groomers at that specific station and if I have time. Most of the time they say don't worry about it, but I do a few anyways. The expectation isn't there, but I find the offer to help is always appreciated. ALPA has nothing to do with it. There will always be people who will do the absolute minimum required in their job regardless of if they are unionized or not.

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#9 Post by Old fella » Thu May 11, 2017 7:36 am

If I may(not being a WJ employee), what are the burning issues that are driving this ALPA certification process It(certification)isn't the first attempt by the WJ pilots so there has to be something going down in order to start this drive yet again. There has to be some discontent, it stands to reason outside of some small group of shit- disturbers. So enlighten us, since this is a public forum and the topic(union) has been brought up and commented upon.
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#10 Post by True North » Thu May 11, 2017 9:42 am

Old fella wrote:If I may(not being a WJ employee), what are the burning issues that are driving this ALPA certification process It(certification)isn't the first attempt by the WJ pilots so there has to be something going down in order to start this drive yet again. There has to be some discontent, it stands to reason outside of some small group of shit- disturbers. So enlighten us, since this is a public forum and the topic(union) has been brought up and commented upon.
I've been asking that question for over a year now. Still haven't got a straight answer.
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#11 Post by mbav8r » Thu May 11, 2017 5:12 pm

I'm not a WJ pilot but as a pilot with a vested interest in the next 20 years, I've seen a degradation in working conditions and comments from Saretsky about how he can just unilaterally change the conditions without consent. Before anyone asks, I'm not going to sift through the news articles from a few years ago to find his quote but I'm sure most WJ Pilots remember it.
Loss of ports was a big one, bases probably the next one, the Encore snow job and most recently, I'm sure this will have the opposite effect intended by the head shed, the announcement of a start up ULCC would have me running into ALPA's arms.
Perhaps, the intent is to have it up and running before ALPA takes office, this move could be and should be viewed as union busting, on some level, at the least, interference of the right to unionize.
Just a bystanders viewpoint, I'm sure some WJetters can add to that
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#12 Post by True North » Thu May 11, 2017 6:48 pm

mbav8r wrote:I'm not a WJ pilot but as a pilot with a vested interest in the next 20 years, I've seen a degradation in working conditions and comments from Saretsky about how he can just unilaterally change the conditions without consent. Before anyone asks, I'm not going to sift through the news articles from a few years ago to find his quote but I'm sure most WJ Pilots remember it.
Loss of ports was a big one, bases probably the next one, the Encore snow job and most recently, I'm sure this will have the opposite effect intended by the head shed, the announcement of a start up ULCC would have me running into ALPA's arms.
Perhaps, the intent is to have it up and running before ALPA takes office, this move could be and should be viewed as union busting, on some level, at the least, interference of the right to unionize.
Just a bystanders viewpoint, I'm sure some WJetters can add to that
If those are the reasons then it is truly sad. I never saw whatever you are referring to regarding Saretsky's comment but even if he said something like that, it's not true. And how many times has it happened?

Loss of ports and bases were business decisions. No union could have stopped them. People need to get over that and move on.

Not sure what the Encore snow job was but it was voted on by the pilots, no?

ALPA can't prevent them starting a ULCC either.

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#13 Post by '97 Tercel » Thu May 11, 2017 8:07 pm

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#14 Post by truedude » Fri May 12, 2017 8:29 am

True North wrote:I've been asking that question for over a year now. Still haven't got a straight answer.
Sort of how I have been asking who it is you worked for, and why you seem so invested in something you say doesn't impact you? Yet you can't seem to give a straight answer... hmmm
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#15 Post by True North » Fri May 12, 2017 10:56 am

truedude wrote:
True North wrote:I've been asking that question for over a year now. Still haven't got a straight answer.
Sort of how I have been asking who it is you worked for, and why you seem so invested in something you say doesn't impact you? Yet you can't seem to give a straight answer... hmmm
Yeah, that's totally the same thing.

Except I have posted my history and my interest in WestJet here before. If you're too lazy to look for it that's not my problem. I'm not going to waste my time or the bandwidth posting it again. Certainly not for the likes of you.
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#17 Post by rudder » Fri May 12, 2017 2:07 pm

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#18 Post by Longtimer » Fri May 12, 2017 7:45 pm

Where the Encore Pilots part of the vote and if not what happens to them? Absorption into ALPA or perhaps to operate the new wide bodies?
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#19 Post by Mr. North » Fri May 12, 2017 8:58 pm

Will the WJ Encore pilots vote to join their brethren? Will they nurture a crippled WJPA back to health? Or will everything descend into chaos and endless bickering?! Be sure to tune in next week!!!
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#20 Post by av8ts » Sat May 13, 2017 1:49 pm

Do the Encore pilot still carry their DOH over to WJ with them??
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#21 Post by Black_Tusk » Sat May 13, 2017 3:09 pm

Longtimer wrote:Where the Encore Pilots part of the vote and if not what happens to them? Absorption into ALPA or perhaps to operate the new wide bodies?
According to friends, no. They both said that there is talk already in the Encore group about an ALPA drive and they also said they expect to see BOTL flow coming. Just conjecture but that's what seems to be floating around.
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#22 Post by Impact » Sat May 13, 2017 3:16 pm

av8ts wrote:Do the Encore pilot still carry their DOH over to WJ with them??
Not sure, but I would suspect they will most probably be BOTL with flow.

Out of curiosity, if anyone knows the answer, does a Jazz pilot take their Jazz DOH with them when they flow to AC?
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#23 Post by NewCommercialPilot » Sat May 13, 2017 3:28 pm

There is a 61 year old ALPA Executive Board (made up of every MEC Chairman) policy that the President and every MEC is constitutionally bound to follow that says that ALPA will use every means available to ensure that every seniority list is constructed such that position on the list is determined by date of hire at the current company.

ALPA could negotiate reserved spots on the list going forward for certain numbers of Encore pilots, but pilots currently employed at WestJet will be ordered by DOH and future Encore flow through pilots will join at the BOTL.

Unity will not be one of the effects of certifying with ALPA. As well, none of this changes if the Encore pilots now certify with ALPA.

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#24 Post by Black_Tusk » Sat May 13, 2017 5:56 pm


Out of curiosity, if anyone knows the answer, does a Jazz pilot take their Jazz DOH with them when they flow to AC?
No. It's never been that way and likely never will be. BOTL.
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#25 Post by fish4life » Sat May 13, 2017 7:05 pm

It's been beaten to death Encore carries their DOH over if mainline pilots put that in the CBA which by all accounts they will.
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