RidersRule wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:29 pm
Wow. Why move sideways (definitely not forwards) from sky to poop when there is a 90% chance poop never gets off the ground?
To be fair, 95% of all statistics cited on the internet are made up on the spot by the poster.
99% of all avcanada posters that post under multiple user names are idiots....
tbaylx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:56 am
If we're going to make up odds I'd say it more likely 90% chance Swoop launches on schedule in June with or without ALPA.
I would say that statement would be relevant prior to last Thursday, however I strongly suspect the game has changed now with our new CEO.
The BOD intervened in a situation that was going to lead to the inevitable strike vote in May. Not an easy decision as seen by the 5% drop and distress displayed by analysts in the media. looking from the outside, chaotic has been the choice of words.
However, from the inside, the opposite is true. Our previous CEO was overly confident that he could win. He believed it was worthy of the risk as the reward would be recurrent in subsequent negotiations and it would send a strong signal to other employee groups. The BOD had less confidence and felt the risk was to high. Sometime last week, a falling out occurred.
We now have a new CEO who needs to demonstrate fast that he can execute Swoop and avoid a strike over the next 13 weeks.
There is only one way to do that.
BTW, our lowest pilot is #1960ish. Our lowest YYZ 737 CA is #924.
Maybe, but getting a high percentage strike mandate isn't as easy as you may think. It isn't a negotiation panacea and it's a risky game of chicken where no one wins.
Norwegian Air plans to fly between Canada and Europe this summer. I wonder if the 787's will have to get Swooped in order to compete with their prices.
Any truth to the rumour that pilots hired OTS are being offered 2 years salary for their troubles if the Swoop thing doesn't doesn't fly due to the outstanding ULP?
calgaryguy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:03 am
Any truth to the rumour that pilots hired OTS are being offered 2 years salary for their troubles if the Swoop thing doesn't doesn't fly due to the outstanding ULP?
According to the latest email from the company it's not true...
Where did the two year salary guarantee rumour/info originate from? The earliest source I have is from a communication from the WJ ALPA MEC. Have any hirees at Swoop said anything regarding this? (One smoke signal for NO, two smoke signals for YES)
Victory wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:16 am
Norwegian Air plans to fly between Canada and Europe this summer. I wonder if the 787's will have to get Swooped in order to compete with their prices.
Swing and a miss. Keep trying slugger, you'll get there eventually.
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Demeter wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:39 pm
Just another example of the weekly mec updates not being truthful. You would have thought they would put fact into those notes. Sad really.
The note says "We were informed.... If this is true..." It was framed as unconfirmed.
You are looking for a lie that isn't there, then calling it a lie on an external forum.
Then recklessly call it "just another example".
I know basic language arts are not a requirement for WestJet pilots, but you have gone beyond into the malicious.
#37 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:32 pm
The note says "We were informed.... If this is true..." It was framed as unconfirmed.
You are looking for a lie that isn't there, then calling it a lie on an external forum.
Then recklessly call it "just another example".
I know basic language arts are not a requirement for WestJet pilots, but you have gone beyond into the malicious.
So let me get this straight, if I send an email to all WJ pilots that I heard a rumour that pilot H.L. likes to xxxxxxxxxxx in the back of a 1977 full size Chevy van while parked outside of elementary schools, that’s okay because I say “If it’s true”. Doesn’t that seem a tad reckless? For a body representing the pilots at WJ, I think spreading rumo(u)rs seems to be less than professional behaviour.
Can we agree on that? Or do you think it’s okay for the MEC to spread rumo(u)rs?
#37 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:32 pm
The note says "We were informed.... If this is true..." It was framed as unconfirmed.
You are looking for a lie that isn't there, then calling it a lie on an external forum.
Then recklessly call it "just another example".
I know basic language arts are not a requirement for WestJet pilots, but you have gone beyond into the malicious.
So let me get this straight, if I send an email to all WJ pilots that I heard a rumour that pilot H.L. likes to xxxxxxxxxxx in the back of a 1977 full size Chevy van while parked outside of elementary schools, that’s okay because I say “If it’s true”. Doesn’t that seem a tad reckless? For a body representing the pilots at WJ, I think spreading rumo(u)rs seems to be less than professional behaviour.
Can we agree on that? Or do you think it’s okay for the MEC to spread rumo(u)rs?
Oh no, that's completely true, except it was a Dodge, and an old folks home.
And yes, I agree. Probably more to the story than meets the eye, but yes, they were informed, and used it as an example, "if true".
Perhaps reckless, perhaps a shot across the bow, perhaps there is now documentation. Nowhere near enough to label untruth. They were quite open that it was unconfirmed, contrary to Demeter's interpretation.
As far as offering the two year thing - Cam indicates that they are not. The note did not clarify if they ever did though. If any such offers are rescinded then both stories are true.
Well they had me convinced! Probably better that that type of info is distributed at the Unity nights and save confirmed information for official MEC documentation. Or post it under à Rumours section.
And if it was a Dodge, did it have a sailboat painting on the side? If so, whatever you were doing was in TM’s van in YQM. Ewww.
I’m just glad that pilots like Weedpro haven’t signed a card and never will sign a card. I don’t want people like you having a voice in my future at WestJet.
The MEC has accountability and a recall, something the past WJPA didn’t have. So much has happened to enlighten our group as to where we stand in the pilot world. Pay, scheduling, benefits etc we are so far behind everyone else it’s embarrassing no thanks to the old representation.
Rumours are a fact of life at an airline, and pilots like Weedpro feed off of them to advance there agenda.
John, take the time to read the comparison document again which is fact. Maybe you’ll figure it out one day. Good luck buddy
I’m guessing by this short term position to train Swoop pilots that the operation is on schedule to start operations in June. FA positions have also been posted.
Other than showing that (at least) one of ALPA’s tools is ineffective (the blacklist), what has ALPA achieved with respect to Swoop? Oh yes, they have guaranteed that WJ pilots can’t fly those airplanes. Good show!
Unfortunately, some still cling to the belief that the Statutory Freeze offers some means to get WJ pilots into those seats, at full WJ pilot T’s & C’s. That seems unlikely at this point.
Even the most ardent ALPA Fanboy must be questioning the situation now. Perhaps the new line of luggage accessories will prove to be a hot seller.
What really blows me away JS, is your justification that pilots deserve to be treated in such a disrespectful way.
Why can’t the relationship be just as strong with ALPA as it was with the pa? Why wasn’t the pilot group given a proper opportunity to negotiate the WJDL flying swoop?
What management is doing is not okay. It’s a fine thank- you for our groups contribution to 51 consecutive profitable quarters.
At least I know ALPA is going to bat for me, regardless of the outcome.
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