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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#101 Post by lisascottme » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am

altiplano wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:27 am
Nice to see WestJet ALPA representing their members.

https://youtu.be/YyUXQeGAI4o

I wouldn't leave any half decent job for Swoop...

When the injunction comes down it will be pulled out from under you.
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?????????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#102 Post by RidersRule » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:56 am

lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
altiplano wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:27 am
Nice to see WestJet ALPA representing their members.

https://youtu.be/YyUXQeGAI4o

I wouldn't leave any half decent job for Swoop...

When the injunction comes down it will be pulled out from under you.
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?????????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Wow. Way to judge someone off of a seven minute video.

The process has begun. Sounds like we should see something in the next two weeks.Feel Damn proud and fortunate to have ALPA in our corner.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#103 Post by Bede » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:01 am

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Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:01 pm
I wonder if that isn't bordering on some kind of anti-competitive behaviour on the part of employees of the dominant competitor in the airline sector in Canada? If I were WestJet I would be looking to the courts to issue a cease and desist order to ALPA.
I get it that you don't understand how labour law works, but this just seems to emphasize how little you know. So a couple things:
1) WJ did ask for a cease and desist. From the CIRB. I'm pretty sure that you were aware of that.
2) Unions ARE by their very nature anti-competitive. This doesn't make it against the law. Anti-competitive practices apply only to corporations, not unions. In fact, collective bargaining is a practice endorsed by virtually every civilized society and is enshrined in both our Canada Labour Code and the Charter.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#104 Post by altiplano » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:24 am

lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?????????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'd be proud if those guys and that association represented me. Professional and transparent.

You on the other hand? Joined this website yesterday...

Parents basement? Fake username? Both?

Whatever it is... ZERO credibility.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#105 Post by lisascottme » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:57 am

altiplano wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:24 am
lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?????????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'd be proud if those guys and that association represented me. Professional and transparent.

You on the other hand? Joined this website yesterday...

Parents basement? Fake username? Both?

Whatever it is... ZERO credibility.
Sure thing there keyboard cowboy, unlike you I never saw the need to post on this b!tch site before yesterday... this topic is simply toxic and needs some perspective. some of the BS you guys spew on this site could really negatively influence some young pilots and cost them years of seniority and some great employers.

Also - Are you not making a huge assumption that they are being transparent??? It's just the candy cane version of the story the ALPO club wants you to hear.

PS - How can my username be more or less fake than anyone else?
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#106 Post by tbaylx » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:05 am

Either way the CIRB should rule in the next two weeks and provide clarity to anyone who was interested in Swoop. If they rule in ALPA's favor then it will pretty much force both sides to negotiate an agreement on Swoop crewing soonish if they want to launch in June.

On the other hand if it goes against ALPA and the CIRB rules that WestJet can hire off the street then its unlikely a common employer decision is going to reverse that after the fact and opens it up to off the street applications.

Either way labour relations have sure gone downhill fast...
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#107 Post by DropTanks » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:18 am

Don't forget the part that if the CIRB rules against ALPA then it flies in the face of all labour law in this country. I have serious serious doubts that this Liberal government will side with a profitable corporation over labour. They will do what they can to get both sides to sit down and hash this out. Now a Harper/Raitt doubleteam on the other hand??? Nothing would surprise me from them.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#108 Post by altiplano » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:51 am

lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:57 am
Sure thing there keyboard cowboy, unlike you I never saw the need to post on this b!tch site before yesterday... this topic is simply toxic and needs some perspective. some of the BS you guys spew on this site could really negatively influence some young pilots and cost them years of seniority and some great employers.
Is that what you call your posts? Perspective?
How about you all fight the good fight while I'll take the job build up some time and swoop off to AC in a year or two.
Are you kidding me - I guess I would be worried if ACPA actually hired pilots but for now and the next 100 years I think I'll be OK swoop, swoop swoop
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?????????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not much so far...
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#109 Post by Bede » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:01 am

$10 says lisascottme is the same as NewCommercialPilot aka Rotten Apple.

Don't feed the troll.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#110 Post by RidersRule » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:48 am

Maybe Gregg S joined avcanada 😂
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#111 Post by NéwCommercialPilot » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:54 am

I have had a change of heart. I now fully support the WestJet ALPA MEC.

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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#112 Post by '97 Tercel » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:16 pm

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They forgot "try and not have all our pilots go to AC" - March 2018
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#113 Post by .80@410 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:21 pm

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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#114 Post by Oldcommercialpilot » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:40 pm

Anyone still want to go to Swoop?
Sounds like you might enjoy a year or so of poverty wages and then your options will either be:

A) The court ruling goes in favour of ALPA and you either become unemployed or get to keep your job and wind up a Dash-8 FO at the bottom of the Encore seniority list

Or

B) The ruling goes in favour of WJ and you have effectively thrown away your chances of employment at both Air Canada and WestJet via the recruitment ban.
Hope you were planning for an entire career as an Ultra Low Cost pilot.

Sounds like a win/win to me

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#115 Post by .80@410 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:41 pm

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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#116 Post by mbav8r » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:31 pm

lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:37 am
DrSpaceman wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:45 pm
You guys go ahead and undermine the conditions of all Canadian pilots, don't come crying when we all close the doors to you when you realize it's not a career company in a few years... or months!

Thanks -I will BTW I bet the hundreds of pilots at Jazz sleep fine at night knowing the lowered the bar when they took the RJ's from AC, maybe they woke up in a cold sweat when AGL did the same to them. I dont see the Encore guys all a twitter because they lowered the bar at the regionals
You’re supplying your own BS here, the RJs were ordered by Air Nova and taken away by the AC pilots agreeing to fly them for less, the fact they ended up returned to Regional was them coming back to the original owners.
Enjoy your Swoop job, I hope you get everything you deserve.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#117 Post by hurtin'albertan » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:03 pm

mbav8r wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:31 pm
lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:37 am
DrSpaceman wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:45 pm
You guys go ahead and undermine the conditions of all Canadian pilots, don't come crying when we all close the doors to you when you realize it's not a career company in a few years... or months!

Thanks -I will BTW I bet the hundreds of pilots at Jazz sleep fine at night knowing the lowered the bar when they took the RJ's from AC, maybe they woke up in a cold sweat when AGL did the same to them. I dont see the Encore guys all a twitter because they lowered the bar at the regionals
You’re supplying your own BS here, the RJs were ordered by Air Nova and taken away by the AC pilots agreeing to fly them for less, the fact they ended up returned to Regional was them coming back to the original owners.
Enjoy your Swoop job, I hope you get everything you deserve.
LOL. Easy bro. Pretty sure "lisascottme" is a joke account created just to get all y'alls blood pressure up. Pretty sure NCP, JohnnyHotBallz, etc, and all the other antagonists are doing the same. It's for shits n' giggles. No self respecting real pilot would ever spew this sh!t for serious. They just be playing. All good man! Just LOL it and get on with life.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#118 Post by FICU » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:37 pm

lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?
What do you know of those 2 men?
One is a former F/O of mine and is a stand-up gentleman.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#119 Post by AvifiskAlly » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:04 am

FICU wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:37 pm
lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?
What do you know of those 2 men?
One is a former F/O of mine and is a stand-up gentleman.
Hey, maybe they are good guys do yourselves a favour and get some people that can actually go on Camera and tell a story like it’s believable. Maybe they are fighting and noble cause but they appear to be very very poor voices. The message is lost in the incredibly horrible camera presence.

Not only that I still go back to the fact that this is just the way it is in this industry from EPA to Canadian to Air Canada to zip to rouge to WestJet encore to Pacific coastal to jazz Georgian sky. All of these guys have eaten each other’s lunch at some point because it is competitive business. It seems like a lot of the people on this forum want WestJet to be noncompetitive and to be left behind to companies like jet line and flair
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#120 Post by AvifiskAlly » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:08 am

AvifiskAlly wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:04 am
FICU wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:37 pm
lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
Really - those are the guys leading this fight?
What do you know of those 2 men?
One is a former F/O of mine and is a stand-up gentleman.
Hey, maybe they are good guys do yourselves a favour and get some people that can actually go on Camera and tell a story like it’s believable. Maybe they are fighting and noble cause but they appear to be very very poor voices. The message is lost in the incredibly horrible camera presence.

Not only that I still go back to the fact that this is just the way it is in this industry from EPA to Canadian to Air Canada to zip to rouge to WestJet encore to Pacific coastal to jazz Georgian sky. All of these guys have eaten each other’s lunch at some point because it is competitive business. It seems like a lot of the people on this forum want WestJet to be noncompetitive and to be left behind to companies like jet line and flair
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#121 Post by AvifiskAlly » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:11 am

mbav8r wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:31 pm
lisascottme wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:37 am
DrSpaceman wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:45 pm
You guys go ahead and undermine the conditions of all Canadian pilots, don't come crying when we all close the doors to you when you realize it's not a career company in a few years... or months!

Thanks -I will BTW I bet the hundreds of pilots at Jazz sleep fine at night knowing the lowered the bar when they took the RJ's from AC, maybe they woke up in a cold sweat when AGL did the same to them. I dont see the Encore guys all a twitter because they lowered the bar at the regionals
You’re supplying your own BS here, the RJs were ordered by Air Nova and taken away by the AC pilots agreeing to fly them for less, the fact they ended up returned to Regional was them coming back to the original owners.
Enjoy your Swoop job, I hope you get everything you deserve.

To be honest I think you just made his point even more so. So Air Canada undercut air nova who then undercut Air Canada and then got undercut by air Georgian. Sounds like Encore and Pacific coastal and swoop to WestJet
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#122 Post by dialdriver » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:25 am

The law of supply and demand. In the end, the customer decides who flies.
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#123 Post by Rotten Apple #1 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:50 pm

AvifiskAlly wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:04 am
It seems like a lot of the people on this forum want WestJet to be noncompetitive and to be left behind to companies like jet line and flair
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING...

Air Canada pilots do!
"According to another letter obtained by the Financial Post, the Air Canada’s pilots’ union has come out in support of the proposed recruitment ban on Swoop pilots.

The possibility of Swoop becoming established as envisioned by WestJet represents a destabilizing force in the Canadian aviation industry,” reads the letter, signed by Air Canada Pilots Association’s master elected council chair Kevin Vaillant."

Anyone care to speculate how WestJet's entrance into the market was viewed in 1996 when it started? How about a "destabilizing force" that brought rationality to product pricing in the airline space and true choice to Canadian travellers while simulataneously imperiling the career prospects of AC pilots. The WJ pilots have chosen to protect the careers of their main competitor's pilots rather than the solidify the placement of their own company in the marketplace. What a strange group.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#124 Post by AvifiskAlly » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:15 pm

Rotten Apple #1 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:50 pm
AvifiskAlly wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:04 am
It seems like a lot of the people on this forum want WestJet to be noncompetitive and to be left behind to companies like jet line and flair
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING...

Air Canada pilots do!
"According to another letter obtained by the Financial Post, the Air Canada’s pilots’ union has come out in support of the proposed recruitment ban on Swoop pilots.

The possibility of Swoop becoming established as envisioned by WestJet represents a destabilizing force in the Canadian aviation industry,” reads the letter, signed by Air Canada Pilots Association’s master elected council chair Kevin Vaillant."

Anyone care to speculate how WestJet's entrance into the market was viewed in 1996 when it started? How about a "destabilizing force" that brought rationality to product pricing in the airline space and true choice to Canadian travellers while simulataneously imperiling the career prospects of AC pilots. The WJ pilots have chosen to protect the careers of their main competitor's pilots rather than the solidify the placement of their own company in the marketplace. What a strange group.

They are an odd group of people. They sh!t on the pilot Indusrty in 96 now they are crying to mommy so they don’t get sh!t on. They are trying to ensure their own company is not competitive. In my view simply pathetic


Pilots. Go to swoop. Have a great job flying nice equipment and let all the union ding dongs fight the good fight to protect themselves and their own interests. If someday there happens to be a decision that impacts your employment take your time experience and endorsement to Air Canada, Sunwing or any other great company in this country.
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Re: Let's all apply at Swoop!

#125 Post by Rotten Apple #1 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:50 pm

altiplano wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:19 pm
Basically every 705 carrier in the country pays better, certainly every 737 job in Canada pays better...
Sunwing pays its 737NG pilots the same wages as Swoop will pay its 737NG pilots. Do you have another example?
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