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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by Alcoholism » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:48 am

You have to give John credit. He has inflamed the passions of many here, the Westjet forum has never been so active. Is he a troll, or is he just a loud voice of the minority at WS? Maybe both? He has made good points and terrible ones. What does it matter, I said it before and I'll say it again, Swoop will be flown by WS pilots, why the whole debate and craziness is beyond me. Just chill, let ALPA handle it, if you don't have faith in them, then de-cert like Johnny boy wants.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by FL410AV8R » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:54 am

Alcoholism wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:48 am
You have to give John credit. He has inflamed the passions of many here, the Westjet forum has never been so active. Is he a troll, or is he just a loud voice of the minority at WS? Maybe both? He has made good points and terrible ones. What does it matter, I said it before and I'll say it again, Swoop will be flown by WS pilots, why the whole debate and craziness is beyond me. Just chill, let ALPA handle it, if you don't have faith in them, then de-cert like Johnny boy wants.
And another personality appears from the closet.

Talking about yourself in the third person and giving yourself credit is yet another low.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by lostaviator » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 am

My lunch money is on one of his usernames being a moderator on the site. Would explain the multitude of user names and the change of original poster on this specific thread.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by Alcoholism » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:54 am

FL410AV8R wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:54 am
Alcoholism wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:48 am
You have to give John credit. He has inflamed the passions of many here, the Westjet forum has never been so active. Is he a troll, or is he just a loud voice of the minority at WS? Maybe both? He has made good points and terrible ones. What does it matter, I said it before and I'll say it again, Swoop will be flown by WS pilots, why the whole debate and craziness is beyond me. Just chill, let ALPA handle it, if you don't have faith in them, then de-cert like Johnny boy wants.
And another personality appears from the closet.

Talking about yourself in the third person and giving yourself credit is yet another low.
You could also be one of the many personalities. Or, what if this whole forum is just you and I? No one else :shock:
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by WeedPro2000 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:14 am

I'm thinking JetBlue pilots wouldn't approve of WestJet pilots who applied long after they were able to join not being responsible for past dues, while JetBlue pilots who didn't apply right away would be responsible for past dues. Come to think of it, it makes sense. Why not wait as long as you can to join and avoid the dues.

In any case, look at the screenshot and let me know what you think. I think #37 has a hotline to the ALPA inner sanctum so maybe he can figure out this situation.

Ergo, Uncle H., will WJ pilots have to pay back dues to ALPA? And if not, are the happy not happy JetBlue pilots okay with the double standard? What does ALPA's constitution say?

Later bater.

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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by hurtin'albertan » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 am

WeedPro/NCP/Rotten Apple/etc:

Get informed before you spout bullsh!t to stir the pot...

Canada, betch. Different rules than the US. If you had the smarts to actually be an ALPA member you would have gotten this in the fastread yesterday:

"ALPA Grants WestJet Pilots their 4th Quarter Budget
As you know WestJet pilots are not currently paying dues and will not be until we have ratified a collective agreement. There have been questions about whether ALPA is just loaning us the money to operate, essentially leaving us in considerable debt. This is not the case. We have been operating on a budget developed by MEC and the ALPA Finance Department that is similar in size to what we expect once we do begin paying dues. We are pleased to let everyone know our fourth-quarter expenditures came in well under budget. Also, those funds have been granted to the WJA MEC, leaving our pilot group in a debt-free position. Our MEC does not owe any money to ALPA. The same process will be followed until we begin paying dues and we intend to continue to maintain a balanced budget at all times.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by FL410AV8R » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:26 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:14 am
I'm thinking JetBlue pilots wouldn't approve of WestJet pilots who applied long after they were able to join not being responsible for past dues, while JetBlue pilots who didn't apply right away would be responsible for past dues. Come to think of it, it makes sense. Why not wait as long as you can to join and avoid the dues.

In any case, look at the screenshot and let me know what you think. I think #37 has a hotline to the ALPA inner sanctum so maybe he can figure out this situation.

Ergo, Uncle H., will WJ pilots have to pay back dues to ALPA? And if not, are the happy not happy JetBlue pilots okay with the double standard? What does ALPA's constitution say?

Later bater.

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You are aware of that phenomenon know as he 49th parallel are you not?

This line also known as the Canada/US border acts as the dividing line between the sovereign nations of Canada and the United States of America. Different countries with different labour and employment laws and standards.

Trying to draw parallels between employees covered by the Railway Labor Act in the US and those covered by the Canada Labour Code here in Canada is disengenuous in the extreme.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by NéwCommercialPilot » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:55 am

Why are you guys worried about multiple personalities.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by mbav8r » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:24 pm

YVR Lurker wrote:
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Bump.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by Schooner69A » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:44 pm

GM:

I think everybody should go by their real name; it would breed a lot more civility.

I started using the Schooner69 moniker years and years ago as it identified my Sabre squadron and my call-sign number. I tried to change it to my name but couldn't seem to do so.

Would you support a change to all real names instead of "handles"?

John Swallow

PS What is your name?
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by Flyingsquirrelsuck » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:50 am

I miss John. Where did he go? I hope he is ok
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The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by WeedPro2000 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 am

Well, it has been a long time coming: the day when I got to say, I told you so, regarding the end of the WPDL (aka One List) in the event that ALPA certified, is almost here.

As I just explained to Rezy, here, the WPDL is dead. We are just awaiting the funeral arrangements to be published.

I spent a fair bit of time and my own money over a year ago trying to show why ALPA could never authroize the WPDL without being the subject of legal action from OTS members. I showed very clearly why ALPA's Constitution and its Executive Board policy, along with Canadian legal precedent with respect to union constitutions all combined to prohibit ALPA from anything other than a DOH seniority list. Indeed, there is an position bid occuring right now that willl use this seniority list to award Swoop and WestJet pilot positions.

I was right. Everyone else (who disputed my findings) was wrong. However, today is not the day top celebrate my persistence and intelligence. No, there are too many losers as a result of what will happen shortly. I do not celebrate their anger, nor their misfortune. There will be huge winners too, those OTS pilots who will now leap frog (some by as much as 350 pilot numbers) ahead of their Encore flow pilot colleagues. If you add the unhappy-former-Encore-already-at-WJ pilots to the soon-to-be-unhappy WJ-soon-to-be-Swoop-pilots-who-will-work-for-less-than-WJ-pay to the unhappy-senior-pilots-who-aren't-geting-seniority-bidding to the unhappy-pilots-who realize-that-it-is-almost-impossible-to-remove-the-MEC-members-from-their-positions to the unhappy-pilots-who-will-be-working-18-days-a-month-versus-the-previous-max-of-16-days, why I think you start to get some unity there.

Ok Jungs, take care. I hope you all found it a worthwhile exercise, this whole ALPA flop. Me I cracked 50 bridge jumps on Friday in Twin Falls, and I think I'm headed back for a few more tomorrow. I have a 28,000 foot skydive planned for next Monday in Tennessee, so I have to work out my travel arrangements. In the meantime, y'all take care.

PS.,

Q. What is the plural of "y'all"?

A. "All y'all"!

In unity!
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by George Taylor » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:31 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 am
However, today is not the day top celebrate my persistence and intelligence.
No fear of that JS.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by eyebrow737 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:39 am

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by Ex DC10 Driver » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:26 am

The list should have been kept simple. Your date of hire on the list is the date you started at WestJet. Still have 100 % flow and there is your carrot. But with no off the street out of sequence hiring. That’s not what happened and now we have the debacle of the list
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by Legacy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:34 am

Funny, never received any email from our MEC regarding this whatsoever not is there any talk of it on the ALPA forums. If you are just stirring the pot, again, JS , then you should quit being a d*ck.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by Fanblade » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:37 am

Confirmed?

How about some substance to your claim.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by RidersRule » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:53 am

Theres more drama in that post then the high school grad party I chaperoned last night 😁
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by BE02 Driver » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:04 pm

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 am
Well, it has been a long time coming: the day when I got to say, I told you so, regarding the end of the WPDL (aka One List) in the event that ALPA certified, is almost here.

As I just explained to Rezy, here, the WPDL is dead. We are just awaiting the funeral arrangements to be published.

I spent a fair bit of time and my own money over a year ago trying to show why ALPA could never authroize the WPDL without being the subject of legal action from OTS members. I showed very clearly why ALPA's Constitution and its Executive Board policy, along with Canadian legal precedent with respect to union constitutions all combined to prohibit ALPA from anything other than a DOH seniority list. Indeed, there is an position bid occuring right now that willl use this seniority list to award Swoop and WestJet pilot positions.

I was right. Everyone else (who disputed my findings) was wrong. However, today is not the day top celebrate my persistence and intelligence. No, there are too many losers as a result of what will happen shortly. I do not celebrate their anger, nor their misfortune. There will be huge winners too, those OTS pilots who will now leap frog (some by as much as 350 pilot numbers) ahead of their Encore flow pilot colleagues. If you add the unhappy-former-Encore-already-at-WJ pilots to the soon-to-be-unhappy WJ-soon-to-be-Swoop-pilots-who-will-work-for-less-than-WJ-pay to the unhappy-senior-pilots-who-aren't-geting-seniority-bidding to the unhappy-pilots-who realize-that-it-is-almost-impossible-to-remove-the-MEC-members-from-their-positions to the unhappy-pilots-who-will-be-working-18-days-a-month-versus-the-previous-max-of-16-days, why I think you start to get some unity there.

Ok Jungs, take care. I hope you all found it a worthwhile exercise, this whole ALPA flop. Me I cracked 50 bridge jumps on Friday in Twin Falls, and I think I'm headed back for a few more tomorrow. I have a 28,000 foot skydive planned for next Monday in Tennessee, so I have to work out my travel arrangements. In the meantime, y'all take care.

PS.,

Q. What is the plural of "y'all"?

A. "All y'all"!

In unity!
The MEC's email to Encore specifically addresses the 30 pilot positions displaced at Encore by the decision to give Swoop DOH. So the MEC is either correct, and you are wrong, or the MEC is misinformed or lying which makes you right. Based on your history I'll take option #1 for now.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by Rezy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:35 pm

When the arbitrator references the “WestJet Pilot Seniority List” - I believe this is meant to be the WPDL as there’s no indication of it being otherwise changed, in name only. The MEC made it clear to Encore Pilots that 30 of them are displaced by Swoop hires. Showing that there is only one list, but if you want to take a few word differences and jump to conclusions I think maybe we could make you a “Jump to Conclusions Matt” #officespace
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by Flyingsquirrelsuck » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:06 pm

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 am
Well, it has been a long time coming: the day when I got to say, I told you so, regarding the end of the WPDL (aka One List) in the event that ALPA certified, is almost here.

As I just explained to Rezy, here, the WPDL is dead. We are just awaiting the funeral arrangements to be published.

I spent a fair bit of time and my own money over a year ago trying to show why ALPA could never authroize the WPDL without being the subject of legal action from OTS members. I showed very clearly why ALPA's Constitution and its Executive Board policy, along with Canadian legal precedent with respect to union constitutions all combined to prohibit ALPA from anything other than a DOH seniority list. Indeed, there is an position bid occuring right now that willl use this seniority list to award Swoop and WestJet pilot positions.

I was right. Everyone else (who disputed my findings) was wrong. However, today is not the day top celebrate my persistence and intelligence. No, there are too many losers as a result of what will happen shortly. I do not celebrate their anger, nor their misfortune. There will be huge winners too, those OTS pilots who will now leap frog (some by as much as 350 pilot numbers) ahead of their Encore flow pilot colleagues. If you add the unhappy-former-Encore-already-at-WJ pilots to the soon-to-be-unhappy WJ-soon-to-be-Swoop-pilots-who-will-work-for-less-than-WJ-pay to the unhappy-senior-pilots-who-aren't-geting-seniority-bidding to the unhappy-pilots-who realize-that-it-is-almost-impossible-to-remove-the-MEC-members-from-their-positions to the unhappy-pilots-who-will-be-working-18-days-a-month-versus-the-previous-max-of-16-days, why I think you start to get some unity there.

Ok Jungs, take care. I hope you all found it a worthwhile exercise, this whole ALPA flop. Me I cracked 50 bridge jumps on Friday in Twin Falls, and I think I'm headed back for a few more tomorrow. I have a 28,000 foot skydive planned for next Monday in Tennessee, so I have to work out my travel arrangements. In the meantime, y'all take care.

PS.,

Q. What is the plural of "y'all"?

A. "All y'all"!

In unity!
Wow John, you did it!! You won and your the best.

You should have some incredible momentum on the de-certification drive now. When are you going to start sign up’s? Do you have a website? Are you going to be the leader?

I’m thinking once this gets all sorted out, you my want to delete that post.

Just sayin
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by BE02 Driver » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:41 pm

Flyingsquirrelsuck wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:06 pm
WeedPro2000 wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 am
Well, it has been a long time coming: the day when I got to say, I told you so, regarding the end of the WPDL (aka One List) in the event that ALPA certified, is almost here.

As I just explained to Rezy, here, the WPDL is dead. We are just awaiting the funeral arrangements to be published.

I spent a fair bit of time and my own money over a year ago trying to show why ALPA could never authroize the WPDL without being the subject of legal action from OTS members. I showed very clearly why ALPA's Constitution and its Executive Board policy, along with Canadian legal precedent with respect to union constitutions all combined to prohibit ALPA from anything other than a DOH seniority list. Indeed, there is an position bid occuring right now that willl use this seniority list to award Swoop and WestJet pilot positions.

I was right. Everyone else (who disputed my findings) was wrong. However, today is not the day top celebrate my persistence and intelligence. No, there are too many losers as a result of what will happen shortly. I do not celebrate their anger, nor their misfortune. There will be huge winners too, those OTS pilots who will now leap frog (some by as much as 350 pilot numbers) ahead of their Encore flow pilot colleagues. If you add the unhappy-former-Encore-already-at-WJ pilots to the soon-to-be-unhappy WJ-soon-to-be-Swoop-pilots-who-will-work-for-less-than-WJ-pay to the unhappy-senior-pilots-who-aren't-geting-seniority-bidding to the unhappy-pilots-who realize-that-it-is-almost-impossible-to-remove-the-MEC-members-from-their-positions to the unhappy-pilots-who-will-be-working-18-days-a-month-versus-the-previous-max-of-16-days, why I think you start to get some unity there.

Ok Jungs, take care. I hope you all found it a worthwhile exercise, this whole ALPA flop. Me I cracked 50 bridge jumps on Friday in Twin Falls, and I think I'm headed back for a few more tomorrow. I have a 28,000 foot skydive planned for next Monday in Tennessee, so I have to work out my travel arrangements. In the meantime, y'all take care.

PS.,

Q. What is the plural of "y'all"?

A. "All y'all"!

In unity!
Wow John, you did it!! You won and your the best.

You should have some incredible momentum on the de-certification drive now. When are you going to start sign up’s? Do you have a website? Are you going to be the leader?

I’m thinking once this gets all sorted out, you my want to delete that post.

Just sayin
I think he should leave it up. It's good for new people to learn about who these people are when they do a little research here.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by Legacy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:35 pm

Why did we get him and not AC or AT.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by arsenal » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:34 pm

However, today is not the day top celebrate my persistence and intelligence.
What day will it be then?
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by tailgunner » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:39 pm

Air Canada has a Psych Eval.
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