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Re: CIRB Decision

#51 Post by mbav8r » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:08 pm

tbaylx wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:02 am
[quote=FICU post_id=<a href="tel:1032080">1032080</a> time=<a href="tel:1520267458">1520267458</a> user_id=14303]
[quote=tbaylx post_id=<a href="tel:1032053">1032053</a> time=<a href="tel:1520252332">1520252332</a> user_id=1736]Already have about a year and a half ago.
Ah right... well I can't see you moving from your current gig to Swoop unless you really miss white shirts and ties.
Some of the desert crowd are interested, but ya never know..pink suits me :)
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So, you left Canada presumably for MORE money yet you come on here and advocate for the wages offered at swoop, I just don’t get it. That’s good to know though, I can now dismiss your opinion on this matter and skip right through your posts.
Thanks for supporting wage increases in Canada by leaving, it’s greatly appreciated:)
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Re: CIRB Decision

#52 Post by tbaylx » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:19 pm

You know what they say about assumptions.... :)
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Re: CIRB Decision

#53 Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:31 pm

How was I mocking anyone?
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Re: CIRB Decision

#54 Post by FL410AV8R » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:54 pm

groundpilot wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:10 pm
Are the anti - ALPA posters on here the same guy?

Boney, NewCommercialPilot, squawk, rotten apple

As for Boney or whoever this person's current alias is,

Rouge does not involve a LOA. Pilots bid it for various reasons. One list, period. And that was forced on us FYI
Add Johnny Hot Rocks and Schnitzel2k3 to that list of multiple personalities.
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Re: CIRB Decision

#55 Post by schnitzel2k3 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:08 pm

FL410AV8R wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:54 pm
groundpilot wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:10 pm
Are the anti - ALPA posters on here the same guy?

Boney, NewCommercialPilot, squawk, rotten apple

As for Boney or whoever this person's current alias is,

Rouge does not involve a LOA. Pilots bid it for various reasons. One list, period. And that was forced on us FYI
Add Johnny Hot Rocks and Schnitzel2k3 to that list of multiple personalities.
Lol - not quite. Nice try Poirot :smt098 Just because individuals share similar observations doesn't mean they are automatically the same person.

I just like stirring up conversation when you guys get all self absorbed in your rah rah rah :butthead:

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Re: CIRB Decision

#56 Post by FL410AV8R » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:29 pm

schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:08 pm
FL410AV8R wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:54 pm
groundpilot wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:10 pm
Are the anti - ALPA posters on here the same guy?

Boney, NewCommercialPilot, squawk, rotten apple

As for Boney or whoever this person's current alias is,

Rouge does not involve a LOA. Pilots bid it for various reasons. One list, period. And that was forced on us FYI
Add Johnny Hot Rocks and Schnitzel2k3 to that list of multiple personalities.
Lol - not quite. Nice try Poirot :smt098 Just because individuals share similar observations doesn't mean they are automatically the same person.

I just like stirring up conversation when you guys get all self absorbed in your rah rah rah :butthead:

S.
Given the wing suit flying, member measuring individuals penchant for all things German and 2k3 being his date of hire the coincidences are just too much.
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Re: CIRB Decision

#57 Post by WeedPro2000 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:37 pm

I’m being set up!
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Re: CIRB Decision

#58 Post by schnitzel2k3 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:04 pm

FL410AV8R wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:29 pm
schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:08 pm
FL410AV8R wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:54 pm


Add Johnny Hot Rocks and Schnitzel2k3 to that list of multiple personalities.
Lol - not quite. Nice try Poirot :smt098 Just because individuals share similar observations doesn't mean they are automatically the same person.

I just like stirring up conversation when you guys get all self absorbed in your rah rah rah :butthead:

S.
Given the wing suit flying, member measuring individuals penchant for all things German and 2k3 being his date of hire the coincidences are just too much.
I standby my Poirot comment. :smt040 Way to go bud. Good job cracking the case.

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Re: CIRB Decision

#59 Post by WeedPro2000 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:37 pm

But back to the CIRB.

Can I approach Swoop for let’s say 5 months of work to help get them going and then ask WJ for an LOA for under the “business as usual” 6 month duration?

I couldn’t have done the two year LOA due to my support payments but I figure I could swing 5 months or so with some planning.

In spite of only flying 730 hours in 2017 I still managed to make $384,771 which is somewhere north of $500/hr hard time. It’s not China money but it’s not that bad. With my Spousal Support payments deduction and RRSP deduction I’ll be getting back $40,000 in income taxes which should finance 5 months at Swoop if they’ll have me and WJ gives me an LOA.

Does anyone know if that would violate the freeze?
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Re: CIRB Decision

#60 Post by groundpilot » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:40 pm

groundpilot wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:10 pm
Are the anti - ALPA posters on here the same guy?

Boney, NewCommercialPilot, squawk, rotten apple

As for Boney or whoever this person's current alias is,

Rouge does not involve a LOA. Pilots bid it for various reasons. One list, period. And that was forced on us FYI
Add to the list: schnitzel2k3 & WeedPro2000

So it appears these are all same flying suit whacko:

1) Boney
2) NewCommercialPilot
3) squawk
4) rotten apple #1
5) schnitzel2k3
6) WeedPro2000

This website, although it has valuable information and is a good place for sharing info, is brutal for policing any kind of annoyances such as this. Could be much better
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Re: CIRB Decision

#61 Post by Ah_yeah » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:59 pm

Mach1 wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:12 pm
I have flown with people who have expressed an interest in going to Swoop internally. They all have a few things in common. They all came from Encore. The only thing they see are 4 bars in their eyes and nothing else matters. They are really bad at math.
schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:40 pm
just left seats and money.
I'm going to break this down into it's two components:

Left seat:

If you HAVE to be a captain then you should never be one. You need some therapy and a bit of time out to learn how to relax a little. Good captains know how to play well with others. Being an FO teaches you how to be a good captain.

Money: How, exactly, is this more money?

Swoop Captain;
$103.57
10% ESPP
Per Diem $2.50/hour
Minimum monthly guarantee of 75 hours
Overtime triggered at 90 hours

WestJet FO (year 6);
$106.06
20% ESP
Per Diem $3.1942/hour (domestic)
Minimum monthly guarantee of 77.5 hours
Overtime triggered at 82.5 hours

The guy sitting in the right seat enjoying his life will out earn the Swoop captain, work 4 days less a month and look forward to year after year of pay gains that the Swoop guy will never see. I know math is tricky but the last time I checked, 106 is bigger than 103.
And there you have it. Swoop will make peanuts from the "once in a decade"-type pax. This is a diversion. Your numbers point out exactly why management is so hard up to get this done. They want downward wage pressure on WJA at large and Swoop is just the tool/diversion to get it done. Don't get fooled. Time to roll up the newspaper and whack these guys on the behind. This is not how you treat professional pilots in todays market. Can't blame them for trying I guess, as there are always a few wannabes and cool-aid drinkers. I have no horse in this race but enough is enough. Pilots are not baristas.
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Re: CIRB Decision

#62 Post by schnitzel2k3 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:22 pm

groundpilot wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:40 pm
groundpilot wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:10 pm
Are the anti - ALPA posters on here the same guy?

Boney, NewCommercialPilot, squawk, rotten apple

As for Boney or whoever this person's current alias is,

Rouge does not involve a LOA. Pilots bid it for various reasons. One list, period. And that was forced on us FYI
Add to the list: schnitzel2k3 & WeedPro2000

So it appears these are all same flying suit whacko:

1) Boney
2) NewCommercialPilot
3) squawk
4) rotten apple #1
5) schnitzel2k3
6) WeedPro2000

This website, although it has valuable information and is a good place for sharing info, is brutal for policing any kind of annoyances such as this. Could be much better
Annoyances such as people disagreeing with others opinions - providing alternative possibilities. That's called a discussion. I am trying to maintain the outsiders perspective but clearly that's too much for you guys to handle.
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Re: CIRB Decision

#63 Post by KAG » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:06 pm

So your t4 is huge but what was your highest net paycheck ?
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Re: CIRB Decision

#64 Post by Flyingsquirrelsuck » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:13 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:37 pm
But back to the CIRB.

Can I approach Swoop for let’s say 5 months of work to help get them going and then ask WJ for an LOA for under the “business as usual” 6 month duration?

I couldn’t have done the two year LOA due to my support payments but I figure I could swing 5 months or so with some planning.

In spite of only flying 730 hours in 2017 I still managed to make $384,771 which is somewhere north of $500/hr hard time. It’s not China money but it’s not that bad. With my Spousal Support payments deduction and RRSP deduction I’ll be getting back $40,000 in income taxes which should finance 5 months at Swoop if they’ll have me and WJ gives me an LOA.

Does anyone know if that would violate the freeze?
Sorry John but your math doesn’t add up. Even at 1.5 times pay, your final total is a lie.

Your constant posts under different logins don’t lead to a conversation or discussion, it’s a way of controlling a message.

I guess my real question is why? What is your agenda? What is your end goal? Is it to support our pilot group or is it a selfishness
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Re: CIRB Decision

#65 Post by BE02 Driver » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:59 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:37 pm

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Re: CIRB Decision

#66 Post by CaptainHaddock » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:28 pm

schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:22 pm
groundpilot wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:40 pm
groundpilot wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:10 pm
Are the anti - ALPA posters on here the same guy?

Boney, NewCommercialPilot, squawk, rotten apple

As for Boney or whoever this person's current alias is,

Rouge does not involve a LOA. Pilots bid it for various reasons. One list, period. And that was forced on us FYI
Add to the list: schnitzel2k3 & WeedPro2000

So it appears these are all same flying suit whacko:

1) Boney
2) NewCommercialPilot
3) squawk
4) rotten apple #1
5) schnitzel2k3
6) WeedPro2000

This website, although it has valuable information and is a good place for sharing info, is brutal for policing any kind of annoyances such as this. Could be much better
Annoyances such as people disagreeing with others opinions - providing alternative possibilities. That's called a discussion. I am trying to maintain the outsiders perspective but clearly that's too much for you guys to handle.

What would probably help is creating a private Westjet forum so you guys could circle jerk yourselves and spare the general public the shock of how pathetic Westjet has become as an organization.

How's that for useful?

Mods are welcome to delete my account anytime. I just hang around for the show :drinkers: You guys are depressing.

Well you know what would give you a leg to stand on, not haveing a half dozen handles you rotate through (some times answering yourself on your own threads). It certainly diminishes your credibility (you know, anonymous chat forum cred ), that you have to obfuscate your own anonymous identity. It’s a little weird and pretty annoying-but maybe that’s who you are.
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Re: CIRB Decision

#67 Post by schnitzel2k3 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:00 pm

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I'm not John nor one of his many handles. Far from it, I do not work for WS - nor am I employed under any ALPA airline.

The only two points I've ever argued is that people have the right to work for whatever company they so desire and for whatever salary without being blacklisted by ALPA.

That and the only person the Westjet pilot is attempting to help is themselves and to stop pretending they are doing this for the good of the industry.

At the end of the day I have zero plans of flying for or on ANY version of Westjet, so take my criticism with a grain of salt.

Trust me, I've read John's posts and he's on a self destructive personal crusade, but to each their own, he seems to enjoy the notoriety.

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#68 Post by WeedPro2000 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:00 pm

It's all good muh bruthas. No self destructive crusade here, just a crusade. I know I have to admit it's a lost cause at some point, but that point isn't now. And may never be. Until then, this is entertainment for me.

I know the math is hard to get your head around, but if one takes an OT hourly rate of $300/hr plus the 8% vac pay, that's $325/hr. When you then drop all your YYC straight time pairings and exclusively pick up OT pairings ex-YYZ, and choose lots of min credit OT stuff, well, it adds up. Throw in TB days where PS and ESP are added on, and then an ample dose of Stock Options, and you somehow wind up with the $380K number. My buddy flew more hard time hours and made $410K, but he didn't spend the summer wingsuiting and being awesome like I did. To each his own.

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Re: CIRB Decision

#69 Post by WeedPro2000 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:03 pm

And before I forget, I plugged in my 2017 earnings into the chart here. $380,000 in terms of annual income, puts one off the chart. Here's hoping that ALPA doesn't put me back on the chart.
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Re: CIRB Decision

#70 Post by BE20 Driver » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:11 pm

Ask anyone who started Encore 5 years ago how much they were able to drop and pick up.

I'll help you out John, after carrying the zero and dividing by Merlot -- nothing.

The assumption that you've made is that Flica will be available from day one and that the work rules will permit you to dump your entire schedule for other's to pick up, freeing yourself to be the OT whore. 10 airplanes will be roughly 100 Captains. I doubt very much that you'll get 10 of them to call in sick every month. Seems rather optimistically high to me. I was there when Encore had 10 airplanes. There certainly weren't anywhere near that many book offs.
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#71 Post by RidersRule » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:50 pm

That's the problem John,

You keep telling us how everything is great for YOU...some of us are just asking for a little help.

You upgraded after what, two years. Top of the captain scale...making tons of money...base of your choice...never had to commute unless you chose too.

We have people here that will never see the top of the captain scale.

Take me for example. I started here at a decent age of 30. Eight years to upgrade. 12 years till I reach the top of the scale puts me at 50, and that's only because I commuted half way across the country to be a captain in YYZ because I crunched the numbers. Meanwhile I try to keep my family together being gone four more days a month. And now with Swoop starting those upgrades just vanish overnight.

I wish you would just throw your brothers a bone and try to understand what a lot of your comrades are going through instead of rubbing it in on how big your T4 is because you timed it right.

Many of us signed on to APLA not because we wanted to be here, but because the company gave us no choice. The WJPA couldn't get anything done anymore. That's a fact. And now that I've signed on to ALPA, I couldn't be happier. It's time for those of us that didn't time it right to look after ourselves. Just like you have partner.

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Re: CIRB Decision

#72 Post by schnitzel2k3 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:04 pm

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Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:00 pm
It's all good muh bruthas. No self destructive crusade here, just a crusade. I know I have to admit it's a lost cause at some point, but that point isn't now. And may never be. Until then, this is entertainment for me.

I know the math is hard to get your head around, but if one takes an OT hourly rate of $300/hr plus the 8% vac pay, that's $325/hr. When you then drop all your YYC straight time pairings and exclusively pick up OT pairings ex-YYZ, and choose lots of min credit OT stuff, well, it adds up. Throw in TB days where PS and ESP are added on, and then an ample dose of Stock Options, and you somehow wind up with the $380K number. My buddy flew more hard time hours and made $410K, but he didn't spend the summer wingsuiting and being awesome like I did. To each his own.

Guten nacht, Komraden.
Bud - no offense intended - just stating what I see. You are painting a target on your back at work with your coworkers. I see that creating a CRM risk with the less than professional ones.

The nice thing about voicing your opinion despite it potentially offending people on an anonymous forum is your ip might get jammed. VPNs are a magical thing.

But when you take the anonymity out of it - people have the ability to target you directly.

Be careful and fly safe.

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Re: CIRB Decision

#73 Post by mbav8r » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:56 pm

schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:00 pm
CaptainHaddock wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:28 pm
I'm not John nor one of his many handles. Far from it, I do not work for WS - nor am I employed under any ALPA airline.

The only two points I've ever argued is that people have the right to work for whatever company they so desire and for whatever salary without being blacklisted by ALPA.

That and the only person the Westjet pilot is attempting to help is themselves and to stop pretending they are doing this for the good of the industry.

At the end of the day I have zero plans of flying for or on ANY version of Westjet, so take my criticism with a grain of salt.

Trust me, I've read John's posts and he's on a self destructive personal crusade, but to each their own, he seems to enjoy the notoriety.

S.
So, why is it pilots should have the right to take a job that undoubtedly will have ramifications towards the WJ pilots without any ramifications of their own? The WJ pilots have the right to protect their livelihood, if a blacklist helps then so be it.
Actions have consequences, it’s even being spelled out for them so no guessing on what they might be.
Also self preservation is a damn good reason to fight this, the end result being good for the industry, does it really matter the motivation?
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#74 Post by tbaylx » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:48 am

Because laws in this country allow people to take open jobs posted to the public if they like the terms and want to apply. If the company isn't allowed to do that under your current agreement then the CIRB will shut it down. If they are then it's none of ALPA's business who takes the job.

Just because you have an internal fight going on with your employer doesn't mean the rest of the professional pilot community is going to sacrifice an opportunity that suits them, for whatever reasons that may be, so you can get ahead. ACPA's endorsement is likely a lot more self serving than altruistic. Spare me the we're fighting for the industry bit, it's about protecting your own paycheque, which is fine, but don't expect others to be as passionate about your T4 as you are.

Keep your fight internal between the pilot group and WestJet where it belongs.
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Re: CIRB Decision

#75 Post by schnitzel2k3 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:07 am

mbav8r wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:56 pm
schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:00 pm
CaptainHaddock wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:28 pm
I'm not John nor one of his many handles. Far from it, I do not work for WS - nor am I employed under any ALPA airline.

The only two points I've ever argued is that people have the right to work for whatever company they so desire and for whatever salary without being blacklisted by ALPA.

That and the only person the Westjet pilot is attempting to help is themselves and to stop pretending they are doing this for the good of the industry.

At the end of the day I have zero plans of flying for or on ANY version of Westjet, so take my criticism with a grain of salt.

Trust me, I've read John's posts and he's on a self destructive personal crusade, but to each their own, he seems to enjoy the notoriety.

S.
So, why is it pilots should have the right to take a job that undoubtedly will have ramifications towards the WJ pilots without any ramifications of their own? The WJ pilots have the right to protect their livelihood, if a blacklist helps then so be it.
Actions have consequences, it’s even being spelled out for them so no guessing on what they might be.
Also self preservation is a damn good reason to fight this, the end result being good for the industry, does it really matter the motivation?
Because there are going to be pilots who undoubtedly apply to Swoop without any knowledge of the current state of affairs that you and I are privy to mb8. These are the pilots who saw a position - it was better than they had it - and made the move - without knowing the blowback or supposed ramifications.

I wouldn't call it ignorance either because from what I can tell - unless they have access to internal Westjet forums - AVCanada seems to be the only place where this topic has gone nuclear. We know while there are a lot of us, this forum isn't all encompassing.

The only ones you could hold accountable to ruining upgrades and sabotaging Westjet pilots are the internal LOAs that were moving over. That obviously isn't the case anymore but at least you know who they are.

If ALPA and Westjet pilots were on an industry betterment crusade then you would be taking aim at Flair and Canada Jetlines. They are eating at your expansion opportunities, they led WS management to dream up Swoop and as I see it pay less than Swoop will in June.

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