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Vote results.

#1 Post by RidersRule » Thu May 10, 2018 10:37 am

95% voted.
91% in favour of the strike.

Mind Blown.
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Re: Vote results.

#2 Post by DropTanks » Thu May 10, 2018 10:49 am

RidersRule wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 10:37 am
95% voted.
91% in favour of the strike.

Mind Blown.
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Re: Vote results.

#3 Post by Longtimer » Thu May 10, 2018 11:54 am

The press is reporting that 95% of the members voted. So if that is accurate, I wonder what percent of all pilots does ALPA have signed up.
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#4 Post by Transonic » Thu May 10, 2018 11:56 am

Longtimer wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:54 am
The press is reporting that 95% of the members voted. So if that is accurate, I wonder what percent of all pilots does ALPA have signed up.
It's 95%.
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Re: Vote results.

#5 Post by tps8903 » Thu May 10, 2018 12:45 pm

It's on
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#6 Post by flyer 1492 » Thu May 10, 2018 1:27 pm

Any comment Weedpro?
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Re: Vote results.

#7 Post by Flash8 » Thu May 10, 2018 1:58 pm

This song is relevant:

https://youtu.be/gj2iGAifSNI
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#8 Post by complexintentions » Thu May 10, 2018 5:08 pm

It's a bit sad to see the chest-thumping - no one "wins" a strike vote.

just another firm step down a well-trodden road. Enjoy your picketing.

I know AC will! :mrgreen:
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Re: Vote results.

#9 Post by Canadianjetpilot » Thu May 10, 2018 5:22 pm

complexintentions wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 5:08 pm
It's a bit sad to see the chest-thumping - no one "wins" a strike vote.

just another firm step down a well-trodden road. Enjoy your picketing.

I know AC will! :mrgreen:
If you believe what you just said then you clearly don't truly understand the significance of this vote.

In many ways it's not even really about striking. It's about unity, solidarity and a message from virtually the entire pilot group that enough is enough.
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#10 Post by iflyroads » Thu May 10, 2018 5:26 pm

Good luck to all the great hard working pilots out there. Hope this starts turning a page for all of us!
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Re: Vote results.

#11 Post by Transonic » Thu May 10, 2018 5:41 pm

complexintentions wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 5:08 pm
It's a bit sad to see the chest-thumping - no one "wins" a strike vote.

just another firm step down a well-trodden road. Enjoy your picketing.

I know AC will! :mrgreen:
Like Weedpro, the WestJet leadership seemed to have operated under the assumption that the pilots remained a divided group at 60/40. ALPA received little respect under this assumption. That will now change.

The prospect of losing 10 million a day in revenue is real. Things will happen quickly now.
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#12 Post by Rezy » Thu May 10, 2018 7:21 pm

No surprises here. Anyone who cared to pay attention should have know the vote was going to be this high.
If you are surprised by this, you’ve been talking to the wrong people and are completely out of touch with reality.
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#13 Post by cloak » Thu May 10, 2018 9:10 pm

Wow so many guns blazing....curious, has there ever been a precedent of pilots of one airline picketing at a competitor's AGM in full uniform when there wasn't even a strike?
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#14 Post by FL410AV8R » Thu May 10, 2018 9:18 pm

cloak wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:10 pm
Wow so many guns blazing....curious, has there ever been a precedent of pilots of one airline picketing at a competitor's AGM in full uniform when there wasn't even a strike?
Just union pilots supporting fellow union pilots. Nothing more, nothing less. Unified pilots across corporate lines are a great thing for the profession.
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#15 Post by montado » Thu May 10, 2018 9:29 pm

Am I the only one who thinks the vote is not enough? I mean 9% is a big portion of the pilots at Westjet. If you are serious about a strike, don't you want 98-99%? Tread lightly comrades!
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Re: Vote results.

#16 Post by cloak » Thu May 10, 2018 9:31 pm

FL410AV8R wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:18 pm
cloak wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:10 pm
Wow so many guns blazing....curious, has there ever been a precedent of pilots of one airline picketing at a competitor's AGM in full uniform when there wasn't even a strike?
Just union pilots supporting fellow union pilots. Nothing more, nothing less. Unified pilots across corporate lines are a great thing for the profession.
Hmmm, "fellow union"? are you sure they are fellow union members? And in full company uniform? You may be surprised to find legal problems (not to mention ethical ones) with this action. Are Air Canada pilots allowed by their corporation to wear their uniform in public in large demonstrations not pertaining to their own company? Are their uniforms properties of the corporation or union? So many questions ...
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#17 Post by atphat » Thu May 10, 2018 10:01 pm

montado wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:29 pm
Am I the only one who thinks the vote is not enough?
probably
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#18 Post by FL410AV8R » Thu May 10, 2018 10:23 pm

cloak wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:31 pm
FL410AV8R wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:18 pm
cloak wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:10 pm
Wow so many guns blazing....curious, has there ever been a precedent of pilots of one airline picketing at a competitor's AGM in full uniform when there wasn't even a strike?
Just union pilots supporting fellow union pilots. Nothing more, nothing less. Unified pilots across corporate lines are a great thing for the profession.
Hmmm, "fellow union"? are you sure they are fellow union members? And in full company uniform? You may be surprised to find legal problems (not to mention ethical ones) with this action. Are Air Canada pilots allowed by their corporation to wear their uniform in public in large demonstrations not pertaining to their own company? Are their uniforms properties of the corporation or union? So many questions ...
Fellow "union pilots" absolutely. Emphasis on union AND pilot.

Clearly, there is a double standard, companies are seemingly allowed to form their own alliances (unions) such as NACC and ATAC to pursue common agendas outside of commercial competition but when pilots from different companies and/or unions get together it is somehow nefarious.

United pilots across this industry are the worst nightmare of these corporate bozos.

As for the uniform question, you will have to take that up with someone who actually cares about it, because it is a pretty weak excuse to threaten discipline on.
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#19 Post by cloak » Fri May 11, 2018 5:40 am

Interesting that you talk about the union of capitalist corporations against the downtrodden pilots that now also have joined in brotherhood, yet one of these pilot groups was there to support the brothers and sisters with the knowledge and blessing of the mother corp....things aren't always what they seem! We don't know what we don't know!
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#20 Post by Rowdy » Fri May 11, 2018 6:53 am

There was a memo from our MEC stating that we should go and support the WJ pilots at the AGM, simply sans the company logos. i.e.; wings and hat as our company did not want our participation. And why would they? With wawcon going up at other carriers, they will have to match or exceed it to attract and retain crews.
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Re: Vote results.

#21 Post by digits_ » Fri May 11, 2018 7:10 am

FL410AV8R wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 10:23 pm


Clearly, there is a double standard, companies are seemingly allowed to form their own alliances (unions) such as NACC and ATAC to pursue common agendas outside of commercial competition but when pilots from different companies and/or unions get together it is somehow nefarious.
The pilots have ALPA and ACPA and whatever else is out there working behind the scenes. There is a big difference between working together privately and publicly joining a picket line for a company you don't work at, and a company your employer has no control over. If people see the AC logo somewhere during a demonstration, they would logically assume AC pilots are fighting with management as well and will maybe go on strike too. That will affect AC's sales, even though AC's management has nothing to do with the Westjet trouble.
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Re: Vote results.

#22 Post by PROC_HDG » Fri May 11, 2018 7:12 am

cloak wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:10 pm
Wow so many guns blazing....curious, has there ever been a precedent of pilots of one airline picketing at a competitor's AGM in full uniform when there wasn't even a strike?
Common in the US.

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#23 Post by WeedPro2000 » Fri May 11, 2018 3:18 pm

I'm a little surprised at the high vote result, but not completely so. It is, as many have stated here, important to show unity of resolve to strike when going in to negotiate with the company. It shows you're serious.

That said, I think the chance of CB bending to ALPA are somewhere between 0% and 0.000001%. So, what is left is a strike or lockout (my money is on a lockout), that will be followed, at some point, by a legislated return to work. Next, a CBA that pleases no one will be forced upon the two parties but will give ALPA and WJ the opportunity to establish a relationship, and try to negotiate a CBA.

Additionally, there is no chance that the company will succumb to a strike mandate and give in to ALPA's demands. To do so would result in CUPE certifying the FAs overnight and giving their own strike mandate next year.

Let me get of your way while you guys and gals rush off to war.

ta ta

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#24 Post by Flyingsquirrelsuck » Fri May 11, 2018 3:29 pm

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 3:18 pm
I'm a little surprised at the high vote result, but not completely so. It is, as many have stated here, important to show unity of resolve to strike when going in to negotiate with the company. It shows you're serious.

That said, I think the chance of CB bending to ALPA are somewhere between 0% and 0.000001%. So, what is left is a strike or lockout (my money is on a lockout), that will be followed, at some point, by a legislated return to work. Next, a CBA that pleases no one will be forced upon the two parties but will give ALPA and WJ the opportunity to establish a relationship, and try to negotiate a CBA.

Additionally, there is no chance that the company will succumb to a strike mandate and give in to ALPA's demands. To do so would result in CUPE certifying the FAs overnight and giving their own strike mandate next year.

Let me get of your way while you guys and gals rush off to war.

ta ta

John
Maybe John,CB is the actual cause of all of this trouble. What makes you think he is the almighty decision maker anymore?

Have you skimmed any of the numerous financial articles over the past 2 days? Fingers point to a “credibility gap”.....to help you out they are taking aim at CB.

It’s a shame you are one of the 4% of pilots at WJ not willing to stand up for your future John.

Looks like JetBlue is coming to terms with the pilot group. Remember when you use “ALPA” in your post, your taking about your pilot representives at the company. You and Cam should get together to write your next post.

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#25 Post by Go Guns » Fri May 11, 2018 7:23 pm

Additionally, there is no chance that the company will succumb to a strike mandate and give in to ALPA's demands. To do so would result in CUPE certifying the FAs overnight and giving their own strike mandate next year.
Given the latest fiasco with recording the FAs, I'm not sure CUPE needs ALPAs help in this regard.
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