Haha - I think he nailed it on the head there. When you guys changing the toilets next?
Not when westjet started the pilots weren't
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Haha - I think he nailed it on the head there. When you guys changing the toilets next?
Not when westjet started the pilots weren't
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That could be said for an awful lot of people on here.
See above, that's about it. Agree to disagree i guess.jjj wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:20 pm Anything else Tbaylx?
Feel free to correct or fill in any relevant gaps in any of my recent posts.
Believe me I would much prefer a world where all pilots employed by the WestJet parent company may have liberal access to my jump seat without prejudice.
I'm all ears and happy to test my opinion if you or anyone can bring some additional information to the conversation.
Cheers.
JJJ
Who’s the bully again, your entire post including how you changed my handle, Hypocrite!eyebrow737 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:02 amMastib8r , I didn't say I supported them. I just don't like communist pilots who resort to the form of intimidation and bullying.mbav8r wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:41 amHow do you feel about hypocrites?eyebrow737 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:36 am
Looking outside your little bubble that has taken over your world, you maybe surprised by the amount of pilots I have flown with that have no knowledge at all about what is happening at swoop. Mostly because they don't care. Granted many other pilots have friends at wj and know they latest. For pilots outside of Canada, you might also be shocked, but most have never heard of a small airline in Canada called WestJet.
For pilots coming back to Canada from the sandpit or otherwise I am sure they had no idea, most people have better things to do than tracking the emotions of butt hurt pilots on the other side of the planet.
I do empathize for the first officers who might not get an upgrade (and who will probably be flying a new WB before long). However your hate is misplaced and sidelined by to much emotion.
Regardless, in your fit of hate you will no doubt hurt more people than you help.
As I said, nothing but a bully and even worse a bully that hides behind a shadow of anonymity. Unless you care to share your name publicly or even by PM. I'll start that list.
I so do detest a bully.
Personally, I would add names of pilots who support swoop pilots to the blacklist, care to share your name eyebrow?
Also, only an idiot would not realize that doing the flying for a wholly owned subsidiary of WJ for 40% less salary would be contentious!
You want to talk about a hypocrite? As I have said before, in a fair world westjet would been out of business a long time ago for what you have all contributed to the reputation of a pilot and to our salaries.
Go back and pick up more garbage and tell more bad jokes. You're all only now starting to realize what a piece of crud regional airline you really work for now that the cool aid has dried off... haven't you?
You wanted to be the bottom of the race to the bottom and now some one has taken that away from you... jealous much?
So, SR were scabs by taking over Jazz routes and undercutting the costs?mbav8r wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:51 pm Who’s the bully again, your entire post including how you changed my handle, Hypocrite!
Also, I’m not a WJ pilot, I’m a Jazz pilot who has been undercut by pilots that went to SR, then 10 of them figured they hadn’t screwed over enough pilots, they swooped WJ pilots too.
History is just that, the WJ pilots are doing something now and the majority of them were not there for the initial start up phase you refer to.
Really, would a union do that? Has a pilot union ever decided to give up flying the same aircraft and routes because the rates *offered* were too low?
eyebrow737 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:11 pmSo, SR were scabs by taking over Jazz routes and undercutting the costs?mbav8r wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:51 pm Who’s the bully again, your entire post including how you changed my handle, Hypocrite!
Also, I’m not a WJ pilot, I’m a Jazz pilot who has been undercut by pilots that went to SR, then 10 of them figured they hadn’t screwed over enough pilots, they swooped WJ pilots too.
History is just that, the WJ pilots are doing something now and the majority of them were not there for the initial start up phase you refer to.
What does that make Jazz then when they took over mainlines CRJ fleet doing the same? Scabs?
Oh all history right? Nice to pick and choose
As far as I'm aware the CIRB (or Labour Minister) didn't rule one way or another on common employer, it was Westet and ALPA under mediation that agreed to Westjet pilots flying Swoop aircraft and to go to arbitration. So nothing to disagree with the labour minister over.jjj wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:23 pm Tbaylx,
Disagree with what exactly?
I have yet to read a single cohesive argument from you.
Do you disagree with the labour minister?
Do you disagree that you understood the scope of this issue before taking the job?
Slow day for me which is why I’m all over this today.
Case of wine to anyone that counters my arguments with something substantive.
JJJ
Management has made no such claim. None of the OTS guys expect anything other than the terms that they signed on for. Guess we'll see what comes of it in a couple weeksTransonic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:48 pmReally, would a union do that? Has a pilot union ever decided to give up flying the same aircraft and routes because the rates *offered* were too low?
Direct entry 737 Captain positions at Sunwing wages at the most financial sound airline in Canada. Too good to be true? You know how the saying goes.
Tbaylx, do you still believe what management is telling you now? Same spots with better working conditions?
The big question is what would a reasonable person assume. That's the view point of the Arbitrator.
Not quite. When WestJet threaten to not only lockout the pilots but systematically shut down the airline, the Labour Minister jumped on a plane to YYC. She had a 20 min meeting with the MEC, then a 2hr meeting with our CEO. After which WestJet agreed to enter interest based arbitration set by ALPA's terms with the ALPA chosen arbitrator. Prior to that, WestJet drew the line at FOS arbitration under their terms with their chosen arbitrator. You can draw your own conclusions as to how that meeting went.tbaylx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:51 pm
As far as I'm aware the CIRB (or Labour Minister) didn't rule one way or another on common employer, it was Westet and ALPA under mediation that agreed to Westjet pilots flying Swoop aircraft and to go to arbitration. So nothing to disagree with the labour minister over.
Get your head out. I flew in Asia, Africa and the sandpit for over 20 years. Most non canadians don't even know anything about air Canada let alone some small airline called WestJet.Dyna wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:44 pm The “They may not be on AvCanada are were completely unaware” argument is complete bullshit. I’ve had friends outside the industry and entirely disconnected ask me wtf is happening with this issue. Anyone IN the industry that claims ignorance is a liar. Regardless of what part of the globe they lived in when they applied.
tbaylx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:53 pmManagement has made no such claim. None of the OTS guys expect anything other than the terms that they signed on for. Guess we'll see what comes of it in a couple weeksTransonic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:48 pmReally, would a union do that? Has a pilot union ever decided to give up flying the same aircraft and routes because the rates *offered* were too low?
Direct entry 737 Captain positions at Sunwing wages at the most financial sound airline in Canada. Too good to be true? You know how the saying goes.
Tbaylx, do you still believe what management is telling you now? Same spots with better working conditions?
The big question is what would a reasonable person assume. That's the view point of the Arbitrator.
So you plan to move 11 000km for a job without doing any research? Googling "Swoop pilot ad" and avcanada is a hit on the first page. Literally 2 mins of reading and you're up to speed. Buyer beware.eyebrow737 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:06 pmGet your head out. I flew in Asia, Africa and the sandpit for over 20 years. Most non canadians don't even know anything about air Canada let alone some small airline called WestJet.Dyna wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:44 pm The “They may not be on AvCanada are were completely unaware” argument is complete bullshit. I’ve had friends outside the industry and entirely disconnected ask me wtf is happening with this issue. Anyone IN the industry that claims ignorance is a liar. Regardless of what part of the globe they lived in when they applied.
No doubt your friends outside the industry only know because of the recent newspaper coverage.
Regardless, I'm done caring about this issue. It's fun never the less to sit back and watch you all eat each other alive fighting over scraps.
Burn baby burn.
Nope, the only thing they’ve said is that they won’t negotiate with one group at the expense of the other and that arbitration should be done in the next two weeks. No guarantees of any sort other than that.Transonic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:07 pmtbaylx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:53 pmManagement has made no such claim. None of the OTS guys expect anything other than the terms that they signed on for. Guess we'll see what comes of it in a couple weeksTransonic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:48 pm
Really, would a union do that? Has a pilot union ever decided to give up flying the same aircraft and routes because the rates *offered* were too low?
Direct entry 737 Captain positions at Sunwing wages at the most financial sound airline in Canada. Too good to be true? You know how the saying goes.
Tbaylx, do you still believe what management is telling you now? Same spots with better working conditions?
The big question is what would a reasonable person assume. That's the view point of the Arbitrator.
Thanks for the answer. But are they not stating your spot is frozen?
If it does go that way then it’s certainly not what we expected when we took the job. Arbitration can go in unexpected directions for all involved. I’ll reserve comment until things are finalizedjjj wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:22 pm Tbaylx acknowledges there was an unresolved dispute for a claim on Swoop flying and the company's attempt to bypass a labour group was path clear of conscience into shiny (slightly used WestJet) pink jets - got it. At least you're being honest T.
Hey eyebrow737 - this is the guy whom you feel the need to champion. Sliding in the backdoor at a total compensation package less than what WestJet was paying over 20 years ago. Keep it up bro - I'm considering volunteering for your blacklist.
Well folks, I am at the very least entertained.
Tbaylx - thank you for providing a modicum of honesty. If this goes the way I think it will you can thank people like me for the raise you'll get before you even turn a wheel. Enjoy the popularity.
JJJ