WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

[confusedalot]

This is very sad to read. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Unemployed Swoop pilot?

Nope. The survival and future of westjet. Really really really hope it does not happen. Been around a long time. Seen entire companies go poof, just like that.

[montado]

This is very sad to read. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Unemployed Swoop pilot?

Nope. The survival and future of westjet. Really really really hope it does not happen. Been around a long time. Seen entire companies go poof, just like that.

Alright we are ready for your list of airlines that have gone Poof, and your explanation how Westjet is going down the same path they did.

[countdown]

When the arbitrator is finished Swoop pilots will not be working under the same WAWCON as mainline and mainline pilots will be training outside the block and holding reserve...

Would really like to be wrong...

[Snagmaster E]

Please elaborate further. Clearly. What is this bad road you speak of?

Wild speculation is what I'm reading here.

[RidersRule]

This is very sad to read. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Unemployed Swoop pilot?

Nope. The survival and future of westjet. Really really really hope it does not happen. Been around a long time. Seen entire companies go poof, just like that.

Oooook....

Fear mongering. Is that you Ed.

I know. Cam Shaft.

[confusedalot]

Ya know what? Why bother. You know everything. Companies are out to screw employees because they are incredibly and exceedingly greedy and have a ton of money with limitless cash. CEO,s are hired guns out for themselves and do 5 year contracts to reap maximum multimillion dollar benefits in the shortest possible time. Got it.

My apologies, was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. looks to me that the people with rich people problems are fighting with the other rich people with their rich people problems.

Good luck

In the meantime, everyone is ignoring the very obvious elephant.

[indieadventurer]

In the meantime, everyone is ignoring the very obvious elephant.

Which is?

[montado]

In the meantime, everyone is ignoring the very obvious elephant.

Which is?

So many elephants to choose!

1. Trump canceled visit with Kim
2. Marijuana legalization
3. New duty regulations
4. r/quityourbullshit

[digits_]

How would a lockout be any threat if the employees are already willing to strike?

"Negotiate untill we have a contract, or we won't show up for work!"
- "Ha, no, YOU negotiate until we have a contract, or I'll lock you out!"

I truly don't see the logic behind it, or the "threat"

[KAG]

The way I see it:
Were in a better place today the yesterday.
We got our flying back.
The devil is on the details and we don't know what those are yet.
In the words of ice cube - today was a good day.

[Noo]

You had 90% strike vote but caved under threat of a lockout? wtf

[Victory]

What if Swoop was only started to make you think you've won something by getting to crew it and forgetting about everything else? Everyone's patting themselves on the back for achieving the 'first thing on the list' but what have you actually gained in terms of salary or working conditions?

[Tango Niner]

What if Swoop was only started to make you think you've won something by getting to crew it and forgetting about everything else? Everyone's patting themselves on the back for achieving the 'first thing on the list' but what have you actually gained in terms of salary or working conditions?

That would be a very, very expensive negotiating strategy on WJ's part.
This is a good day for WestJet and Encore pilots!

[seriousflyer]

I agree...great day for westjet/encore pilots. Scope and job protection for years to come. When the wawcons are released on CA day, it will also be a good day. All westjet pilots should celebrate this tonight while ex-swoop pilots are moping preparing resumes.

[matthew.oommen]

What if Swoop was only started to make you think you've won something by getting to crew it and forgetting about everything else? Everyone's patting themselves on the back for achieving the 'first thing on the list' but what have you actually gained in terms of salary or working conditions?

So what’s wrong with an interest based mediation/arbitration process? Doesn’t that mean both parties will end up mostly content at the end? Meaning we will be at a much better place than we are at today? Until this point, it felt like a breach of contract by the pilots would put us in crap, but a breach of contract (swoop) by the company meant nothing really happened in return. This IS a big win for us. In terms of WAWCON, nobody knows (that hasn’t signed an NDA) what they have worked out and will work out in the next few weeks. But we will all find out likely by the end of June anyway. And it’ll be substantially better than what we have now, all things considered. Scope is quite an important part of any CBA. So yes, it is a win.
Ps. If I am missing something, please do enlighten me.

[Dry Guy]

I'm confused. So Westjet pilots had scope before or they just "won" it through negotiating?

[Jimmy2]

I'm confused. So Westjet pilots had scope before or they just "won" it through negotiating?

Regardless of the outcome of negotiations pilots will convince themselves they got a great deal. Such a fascinating phenomenon to watch. I remember similar celebration when Jazz "won" status pay for the 757. Human psychology is truly amazing.

[KAG]

We got the number 1 thing we wanted, stopping the furthur slide of our industry, preserving our FOs close to an upgrade their careers, keeping our flying!!!. hows this not a win?
I guess we'll see over the next month.

Wasnt the jazz status pay the will of the pilot group?

[goingnowherefast]

The win was keeping scope. The company tried really hard to remove it.

[Bede]

Confusedalot,

I would like to hear your opinion. I'm always interested in contrarian opinions. Unfortunately the only ones in this forum belong to trolls. I have a feeling that you have something intelligent to say and I'd like you to share it with us. If I disagree with your opinion I'll say so, but at least I'll respect your rationale.