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Has anyone, ANYBODY?? Seen that the shares exactly where they were a couple days ago since the strike has been called off. This whole blame the pilots for the share drop is completely unfounded; it has everything to do with the worries of investors about management execution of many simultaneous ventures, and very little to do with worries about WestJet Pilots getting a fair contract!
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It was all part of the propaganda put out by the company.
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What's in it for the shareholder today? Swoop may not be done on the cheap. Still rocky road ahead. Oil prices are climbing. Also if you look across the board, many stocks have been down like the banks etc. I don't think this year will be a great year for airlines after the 2017 boom with so much gain. I think we could see Westjet under 20 bucks end of this year (I know, such a bold prediction, this stock could go up... or down lol). Really my point being there's still uncertainty and this includes things outside of the pilot group control like oil prices etc.
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It's all about investor's perception of a company's strengths and weaknesses . When the pilots started to talk about joining ALPA , I stated that it would be a tail wind for the AC share price. Many laughed at me at the time. Now here are the facts ,AC has gone up by 31.51% in the past year and WJA has gone down by -12.41 %.

I did sell my WJA shares at the time and purchased AC. :D
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arctic_slim wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 10:40 amIt was all part of the propaganda put out by the company.
Uhhh..unionization and labour unrest are ALWAYS a drag on a company's share price.

Unless of course, you were threatening to strike to ensure a lower cost base through Swoop, or unless you were paid less to work more? Didn't think so.

Investors hate uncertainty and companies whose expenses may increase and whose productivity may decrease are less worthy of investment. That isn't "propaganda", it's economics.

Pilots are stupid.
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complexintentions wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 10:13 am
arctic_slim wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 10:40 amIt was all part of the propaganda put out by the company.
Uhhh..unionization and labour unrest are ALWAYS a drag on a company's share price.

Unless of course, you were threatening to strike to ensure a lower cost base through Swoop, or unless you were paid less to work more? Didn't think so.

Investors hate uncertainty and companies whose expenses may increase and whose productivity may decrease are less worthy of investment. That isn't "propaganda", it's economics.

Pilots are stupid.

Which is why the share price is the exact same today as when the strike vote was announced!
Investors are upset about the lack of credibility from management, out of control costs of Swoop/787/Livery/another reconfiguration. Why don’t you try listening or reading an investor call before you spout off nonsense.
Investors are pissed with management credibility and board direction. They are confused by CEO’s being replaced for no apparent reason.
And that’s all from the investor call May 8. Not just making up stuff like some people.
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Rezy wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 1:36 pm
complexintentions wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 10:13 am
arctic_slim wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 10:40 amIt was all part of the propaganda put out by the company.
Uhhh..unionization and labour unrest are ALWAYS a drag on a company's share price.

Unless of course, you were threatening to strike to ensure a lower cost base through Swoop, or unless you were paid less to work more? Didn't think so.

Investors hate uncertainty and companies whose expenses may increase and whose productivity may decrease are less worthy of investment. That isn't "propaganda", it's economics.

Pilots are stupid.

Which is why the share price is the exact same today as when the strike vote was announced!
Investors are upset about the lack of credibility from management, out of control costs of Swoop/787/Livery/another reconfiguration. Why don’t you try listening or reading an investor call before you spout off nonsense.
Investors are pissed with management credibility and board direction. They are confused by CEO’s being replaced for no apparent reason.
And that’s all from the investor call May 8. Not just making up stuff like some people.
you can also add that Alberta's 20 % increase in corporate taxes and the addition of Alberta's carbon tax, don't help matters.
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tsgas wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 4:31 pm you can also add that Alberta's 20 % increase in corporate taxes and the addition of Alberta's carbon tax, don't help matters.
While technically correct, that's a rather disingenuous and intentionally misleading way of stating how much taxes have increased, considering they've gone from 10 to 12 percent; they increased by 20%, but only went up two percentage points.
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They went up 20%. You are the one being disingenuous.
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Diadem wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 7:48 pm
tsgas wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 4:31 pm you can also add that Alberta's 20 % increase in corporate taxes and the addition of Alberta's carbon tax, don't help matters.
While technically correct, that's a rather disingenuous and intentionally misleading way of stating how much taxes have increased, considering they've gone from 10 to 12 percent; they increased by 20%, but only went up two percentage points.
Stick to your SJW program and stay away from business because you out out in left field. These numbers are significant to large enterprises even though your NDP/ Liberals will tell you otherwise. Socialism always fails in the end. :twisted:
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All right, then by the same metric the Alberta NDP dropped the small business rate by 33% and raised the threshold on small businesses by 9%.
Taxation isn't socialism, and I'm not a socialist. I believe in the value of having an educated, healthy population with police, firefighters, and toll-free roads, and taxes are the price we pay to have that; believing that we can keep services at the same level while cutting taxes to zero is a magical fantasy that doesn't work in the real world, despite all the claims about investor confidence. Consumers grow the economy, not investors, and without healthy, educated consumers we would live in a third-world backwater.
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Diadem wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:29 am All right, then by the same metric the Alberta NDP dropped the small business rate by 33% and raised the threshold on small businesses by 9%.
Taxation isn't socialism, and I'm not a socialist. I believe in the value of having an educated, healthy population with police, firefighters, and toll-free roads, and taxes are the price we pay to have that; believing that we can keep services at the same level while cutting taxes to zero is a magical fantasy that doesn't work in the real world, despite all the claims about investor confidence. Consumers grow the economy, not investors, and without healthy, educated consumers we would live in a third-world backwater.
Hugo Chavez would be proud of you.
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tsgas wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:08 am Hugo Chavez would be proud of you.
I'm much more of a fan of John Maynard Keynes, Paul Krugman, and Thomas Piketty.
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Share price = the present value of estimated future earnings discounted for risk.

According to the analysts, the risk is not a pilot strike/lockout event but lack of confidence in the WJ business plan and the ability to execute that plan.

The pilot labour conflict is simply a management excuse for the market punishing the WJ share price.
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rudder wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:58 pm The pilot labour conflict is simply a management excuse for investors punishing the WJ share price.
Fixed that for you.
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Never mind the strike. Look at their first attempt to fly overseas to London.

What a butchered rollout of a new route that I've ever heard about. Brutal. A total joke.

You know, WJA, when you decide to offer a new service, it's helpful to ensure the planes are functional first before you do.

Investors kinda notice execution blunders like this, too.
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