Minisiter of Transport M Garneau braggs about Swoop

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Minisiter of Transport M Garneau braggs about Swoop

#1 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:50 am

https://twitter.com/MarcGarneau/status/ ... 4422188032
Ultra low cost airline @FlySwoop will start operating very soon. Canadians have been asking for affordable flight and our Gov is working towards it. Our strategy is aimed at providing greater choice, lower costs and strengthening air passenger right. #C49

As tough Swoop was a great achievement for the Canadian public.

Out of whose pockets are those savings coming from ?

Lower airport fees ?
Lower NAV Canada fees ?
Cheaper regulatory environment ?

Lower fuel costs ?
Lower aircraft acquisition costs ?
Lower insurance fees ?
Lower maintenance cost ?

No. All of the above are the same aren't they Minister Garneau ?

So where are those savings coming from ?
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#2 Post by Noo » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:01 am

Lucky you didn't strike.
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#3 Post by TheStig » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:07 am

How exactly is the government working on this?

I loved seeing all the comments from pilots about Flight Duty Regulations below the tweet, something they actually can work on..
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#4 Post by sanjet » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:15 pm

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#5 Post by infiniteregulus » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:26 pm

Such a short sighted post by an elected official. Shame on this government.
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#6 Post by Air.Field » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:54 pm

So does Garneau stupid comment make Swoop a government run airline since they had soo much to do with it? :rolleyes:
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#7 Post by Hangry » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:05 pm

What an absolute joke he is. Don’t worry about fatigue. It’s fake news!
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#8 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:44 pm

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#10 Post by tbayav8er » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:04 pm

I've come to expect nothing less from the Liberals.
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#11 Post by DanWEC » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:05 pm

I don't do any tweetering myself, but more people should continue to comment on that post and others regarding the current fatigue threat to the public.

With this sort of slant on his PR, you'd think he's being lobbied...........
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#12 Post by WeedPro2000 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 am

Um, if you're fatigued, can't you just book off? What kind of companies are you guys working at that you can't book off if fatigued. Or is it something else that you prevents you from making the safe decision?

When comparing Canada to USA rules, I think it helpful to recall that USA airlines, AFAIK, do not have crew rest provisions. They cannot legally close their eyes and get rest in the manner that is proscribed in Canadian airline SOPs (if approved). Therefore, it is correct that their operations be time limited less than Canadian airline operators. I can't speak for the smaller outfits with only one pilot operations and no approval to do crew rest.

Anyhow, that's how I see it. Go to work and do the job you are paid well for, or choose another career path that suits your sleep schedule. Accounting comes to mind.
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#13 Post by alkaseltzer » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:56 am

I think Team Red should see this as a warning shot in the event of hopes of a future bailout.
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#14 Post by Flyingsquirrelsuck » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:29 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 am
Um, if you're fatigued, can't you just book off? What kind of companies are you guys working at that you can't book off if fatigued. Or is it something else that you prevents you from making the safe decision?

When comparing Canada to USA rules, I think it helpful to recall that USA airlines, AFAIK, do not have crew rest provisions. They cannot legally close their eyes and get rest in the manner that is proscribed in Canadian airline SOPs (if approved). Therefore, it is correct that their operations be time limited less than Canadian airline operators. I can't speak for the smaller outfits with only one pilot operations and no approval to do crew rest.

Anyhow, that's how I see it. Go to work and do the job you are paid well for, or choose another career path that suits your sleep schedule. Accounting comes to mind.
This same job was going to paid at 40% less than mainline Westjet rates John. I know you aligned your interests with the BOD and the company, why don’t you bid to do Swoop flying then? That’s right you would give up your OT, schedule, vacation, ESP, options and benefits. I expect to see your name on the Swoop bid. You still have until 9am today.

This is the same company that was going to lock out it’s pilots and shut down the company over a pilot contract!

Fatigue is a problem created over time from bad planning and scheduling by the airline. I’m sure you doubt any real scientific findings in the matter.
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#15 Post by Donald » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:39 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 am
Um, if you're fatigued, can't you just book off? What kind of companies are you guys working at that you can't book off if fatigued. Or is it something else that you prevents you from making the safe decision?
Hey John, ask Encore guys what happens if they book off for fatigue.

That might explain why Canada needs updated FTDT regs.
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#16 Post by J Roc » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:14 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 am
Um, if you're fatigued, can't you just book off? What kind of companies are you guys working at that you can't book off if fatigued. Or is it something else that you prevents you from making the safe decision?

When comparing Canada to USA rules, I think it helpful to recall that USA airlines, AFAIK, do not have crew rest provisions. They cannot legally close their eyes and get rest in the manner that is proscribed in Canadian airline SOPs (if approved). Therefore, it is correct that their operations be time limited less than Canadian airline operators. I can't speak for the smaller outfits with only one pilot operations and no approval to do crew rest.

Anyhow, that's how I see it. Go to work and do the job you are paid well for, or choose another career path that suits your sleep schedule. Accounting comes to mind.
Nothing says "well rested" like sitting upright while hanging from a 5-point harness.
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#17 Post by dialdriver » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:43 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 am
Um, if you're fatigued, can't you just book off? What kind of companies are you guys working at that you can't book off if fatigued. Or is it something else that you prevents you from making the safe decision?

When comparing Canada to USA rules, I think it helpful to recall that USA airlines, AFAIK, do not have crew rest provisions. They cannot legally close their eyes and get rest in the manner that is proscribed in Canadian airline SOPs (if approved). Therefore, it is correct that their operations be time limited less than Canadian airline operators. I can't speak for the smaller outfits with only one pilot operations and no approval to do crew rest.

Anyhow, that's how I see it. Go to work and do the job you are paid well for, or choose another career path that suits your sleep schedule. Accounting comes to mind.
Are you an idiot, or just naive?
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#18 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:55 am

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 am
Um, if you're fatigued, can't you just book off? What kind of companies are you guys working at that you can't book off if fatigued. Or is it something else that you prevents you from making the safe decision?

When comparing Canada to USA rules, I think it helpful to recall that USA airlines, AFAIK, do not have crew rest provisions. They cannot legally close their eyes and get rest in the manner that is proscribed in Canadian airline SOPs (if approved). Therefore, it is correct that their operations be time limited less than Canadian airline operators. I can't speak for the smaller outfits with only one pilot operations and no approval to do crew rest.

Anyhow, that's how I see it. Go to work and do the job you are paid well for, or choose another career path that suits your sleep schedule. Accounting comes to mind.
You are rostered to be on reserve, from 2 PM to 2 AM. You woke up at 9 AM that day, after 9 hours of excellent sleep.
At 3PM you get a call, stating that you are scheduled to do 2 legs that evening. A domestic leg of one hour, a 7PM, then a 7 hour international leg at 11PM.
Your show time is 6PM. You are fit and well rested. You do your 7PM flight, block in at 0830PM.
There is an aircraft change for your second flight. You get to your gate at 0930PM and the aircraft is not there. It arrives at 1120PM, but must deplane and groom.
You eventually push back at 0030AM, 90 minutes late.

You land at your oversees destination at 0730 (local time at your home base). You have been on duty 13 hours and 30 minutes. You have been awake 22 hours and 30 minutes.

At what point in this scenario do you book off because you feel fatigued ?
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#19 Post by Greenbastard » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:04 pm

Don’t engage Weedpro, waste of your time. Absolute embarrassment!
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#20 Post by Bede » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:12 pm

Greenbastard wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:04 pm
Don’t engage Weedpro, waste of your time. Absolute embarrassment!
Probably the best advice on here. I've tried to have meaningful respectful dialog with him but he just deflects and refuses to answer the question when cornered. Embarrassment is right!
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#21 Post by goingnowherefast » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:30 pm

Greenbastard wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:04 pm
Don’t engage Weedpro, waste of your time. Absolute embarrassment!
I was going to argue with his fatigue post, but then realized he is the most successful troll in Avcanada history.
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#22 Post by Noo » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:00 am

Answer Bede's question!
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#23 Post by Bede » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:41 am

Noo wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:00 am
Answer Bede's question!
Let's try again Weedpro. What is your opinion on the company's original contract offer?
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#24 Post by Schooner69A » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:52 am

"You land at your oversees destination at 0730 (local time at your home base). You have been on duty 13 hours and 30 minutes. You have been awake 22 hours and 30 minutes."



Is this single pilot or two pilot?


How often does this happen?
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#25 Post by FL007 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:10 pm

Schooner69A wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:52 am
"You land at your oversees destination at 0730 (local time at your home base). You have been on duty 13 hours and 30 minutes. You have been awake 22 hours and 30 minutes."



Is this single pilot or two pilot?


How often does this happen?
Happens a lot in regional flying. Later reserve coverage, you get up at 8am like a normal human, get called out at 5pm for a 10hr day, you've been up for 19+ hours at that point.

Later reserve coverage can vary from before noon to 8pm and you're expected to be prepared for a 14hr day at any time you're called.

Now if you're on reserve from 11am but don't get called until 8pm how are you expected to prepare to fly until 10am the next morning...?
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