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Re: SWOOP OTS Captains punted from left seat...

Post by lostaviator » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:11 am

Can Swoop Pilots even sit in the WJ jumpiest? (And vice versa). Different OC, different TC policies. Though we haven’t received direct communication from our management, I think the CSA’s internal flow chart days they cannot occupy our jumpiest.
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Re: SWOOP OTS Captains punted from left seat...

Post by Lightchop » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:58 pm

lostaviator wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:11 am
Can Swoop Pilots even sit in the WJ jumpiest? (And vice versa). Different OC, different TC policies. Though we haven’t received direct communication from our management, I think the CSA’s internal flow chart days they cannot occupy our jumpiest.
Why not? Jazz, GGN, SKR and AC can all sit in each other's jump seats. All separate OCs with different company policies.
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Re: SWOOP OTS Captains punted from left seat...

Post by lostaviator » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:29 pm

I’m not saying they shouldn’t be able to, or getting into the scab debate: I’m just saying the COM doesn’t support/allow it.

Encore wasn’t able to sit in WJ jumpseats for the first few months, and a few years for transborder.

The direction to CSA’s has been Swoop Pilots can NOT occupy a WJ jumpseat, but just as it was with the encore situation, not all csa’s keep track of this and try and give us jumpseats we legally can’t take. (They still to this day try and give us Encore Fa’s in 737 Fa jumpseats). We are the ones ultimately responsible for operating within the law.

Perhaps it’s been changed, but at last reading, Swoop wasn’t mentioned in the list of approved jumpseats occupants.
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Re: SWOOP OTS Captains punted from left seat...

Post by cloak » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:26 am

Perhaps jumpseat is of little consequence, and the bigger issue is the vendetta against a few pilots and the crusade to "punt" them out of their seats at whatever bargaining cost to the group; that is the real concern!
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by The Tenth Man » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:55 pm

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:14 am
I'm thinking JetBlue pilots wouldn't approve of WestJet pilots who applied long after they were able to join not being responsible for past dues, while JetBlue pilots who didn't apply right away would be responsible for past dues. Come to think of it, it makes sense. Why not wait as long as you can to join and avoid the dues.

In any case, look at the screenshot and let me know what you think. I think #37 has a hotline to the ALPA inner sanctum so maybe he can figure out this situation.

Ergo, Uncle H., will WJ pilots have to pay back dues to ALPA? And if not, are the happy not happy JetBlue pilots okay with the double standard? What does ALPA's constitution say?

Later bater.

WP2K
It does seem funny that the Canada Board - President Elect still hasn't paid any dues to ALPA. Is that normal? I mean, the membership not paying I can sort of understand, but the Canada Board - President?
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by The Tenth Man » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:58 pm

hurtin'albertan wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 am
WeedPro/NCP/Rotten Apple/etc:

Get informed before you spout bullsh!t to stir the pot...

Canada, betch. Different rules than the US. If you had the smarts to actually be an ALPA member you would have gotten this in the fastread yesterday:

"ALPA Grants WestJet Pilots their 4th Quarter Budget
As you know WestJet pilots are not currently paying dues and will not be until we have ratified a collective agreement. There have been questions about whether ALPA is just loaning us the money to operate, essentially leaving us in considerable debt. This is not the case. We have been operating on a budget developed by MEC and the ALPA Finance Department that is similar in size to what we expect once we do begin paying dues. We are pleased to let everyone know our fourth-quarter expenditures came in well under budget. Also, those funds have been granted to the WJA MEC, leaving our pilot group in a debt-free position. Our MEC does not owe any money to ALPA. The same process will be followed until we begin paying dues and we intend to continue to maintain a balanced budget at all times.
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Ok, that's right, the MEC got approval from ALPA in Herndon for the WJ pilots not to have to pay dues until the CBA was put in place. As hurtin' albertan, shows here, the MEC had this issue under control.
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by The Tenth Man » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:01 pm

In fact the OC had this matter clarified for the WJ pilots in during the certification drive:

With ALPA, you will not pay dues until the Association is formally certified and an agreement is in place...
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Re: alpa hidden agenda

Post by FL410AV8R » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:03 pm

China_CAAC_Exam wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:01 pm
In fact the OC had this matter clarified for the WJ pilots in during the certification drive:

With ALPA, you will not pay dues until the Association is formally certified and an agreement is in place...
Do you have a point or are you just conversing with yourself again?
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LOU Proposal Nov 2, 2018

Post by The Tenth Man » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:31 am

Has the new MEC indicated they will be presenting the LOU drafted by the previous MEC Chairman and previous Vice-Chairman to WJ management as was communicated Nov 2, 2018?
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Re: LOU Proposal Nov 2, 2018

Post by hurtin'albertan » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:24 pm

China_CAAC_Exam wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:31 am
Has the new MEC indicated they will be presenting the LOU drafted by the previous MEC Chairman and previous Vice-Chairman to WJ management as was communicated Nov 2, 2018?
Why don't you email a rep directly. As you well know ;) Avcanada is hardly the place to get accurate information about internal WJ business.
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Re: LOU Proposal Nov 2, 2018

Post by cloak » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:20 pm

China_CAAC_Exam wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:31 am
Has the new MEC indicated they will be presenting the LOU drafted by the previous MEC Chairman and previous Vice-Chairman to WJ management as was communicated Nov 2, 2018?
That is a good question!
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Re: LOU Proposal Nov 2, 2018

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Re: LOU Proposal Nov 2, 2018

Post by Bede » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:39 am

There is not a new MEC. There is a new executive.
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Re: LOU Proposal Nov 2, 2018

Post by The Tenth Man » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:21 am

Bede wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:39 am
There is not a new MEC. There is a new executive.
Quibbling over semantics, Francis? Wouldn't you rather answer the question posed in the thread title? In the absence of a clear reason for the sacking of the MEC chairman, it is a reasonable inference that his removal had something to do with his communication seven days prior in which he announced that the MEC would be approaching WJ soon with a proposed LOU regarding recognizing the seniority rights of WJE pilots "within the WestJet group."

Did the MEC have the authorization of the ALPA President to begin negotiating with WJ regarding a merger of the seniority lists of WJ and WJE pilots?

If as you say, the WJ MEC today is the same MEC as on November 2, 2018, then I would ask this question:

Does the WJ MEC intent to follow through its announced intention to present an LOU soon to WJ that will propose a merger of the seniority lists of WJ and WJE pilots?

hurtin' albertan, I think the 500 WJE pilots have an interest in knowing the intentions of the MEC. They are not members of the WJ ALPA bargaining unit and therefore not able to access the WJ MEC nor any of the WJ LEC's. As a non-member of ALPA, I am in the same boat. As a pilot at WJ, I do have a clear interest in knowing how the MEC plans to address the issues surrounding the WPDL legacy.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by The Tenth Man » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:03 pm

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I’ll give you a clue as to why the WPDL wasn’t mentioned.....it’s because it’s not even in question.

For the smart people in the room: WJ will have a seniority list, Encore will have a list and the two will be tied together by DOH via a LOU. There you go. Now run along and let the grown ups talk.
Ah, DropTanks, I see. Five months ago you thought the seniority lists could be "tied together". What is this nebulous concept, "tied together"? Did you mean that the two seniority lists would be "merged"? Or that the definition of seniority in the impending CBA was going to go against 62 years of ALPA precedent (and Executive Board policy)? Or did you mean that something other than seniority would be used for promotion etc, once again in defiance of 62 year old ALPA precedent (and Executive Board policy)? What did you mean?

A refusal to explain what you meant could be used to arrive at an adverse inference, meaning you have no answer and that "tied together" meant nothing achievable.

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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by DropTanks » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:09 pm

China_CAAC_Exam wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:03 pm
DropTanks wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:05 am
I’ll give you a clue as to why the WPDL wasn’t mentioned.....it’s because it’s not even in question.

For the smart people in the room: WJ will have a seniority list, Encore will have a list and the two will be tied together by DOH via a LOU. There you go. Now run along and let the grown ups talk.
Ah, DropTanks, I see. Five months ago you thought the seniority lists could be "tied together". What is this nebulous concept, "tied together"? Did you mean that the two seniority lists would be "merged"? Or that the definition of seniority in the impending CBA was going to go against 62 years of ALPA precedent (and Executive Board policy)? Or did you mean that something other than seniority would be used for promotion etc, once again in defiance of 62 year old ALPA precedent (and Executive Board policy)? What did you mean?

A refusal to explain what you meant could be used to arrive at an adverse inference, meaning you have no answer and that "tied together" meant nothing achievable.

Cheers,

John
Ok I think I’ve got a solution that would benefit everybody involved. There’s quite a few WJ pilots currently discussing wishing to pay someone with extensive forensic investigative skills (such as yourself) to find errors with their pay. Put your tenacity to work for fellow WestJetters and maybe recover some of that $100k you’ll be missing out on with the CBA. Totally serious.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by The Tenth Man » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:36 am

Then there are the people who when asked a direct question, just ignore the question. I get it. You have no answer.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by DropTanks » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:19 am

China_CAAC_Exam wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:36 am
Then there are the people who when asked a direct question, just ignore the question. I get it. You have no answer.
My answer...”There are FOUR LIGHTS!!!”
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by The Tenth Man » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:37 am

DropTanks wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:19 am
China_CAAC_Exam wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:36 am
Then there are the people who when asked a direct question, just ignore the question. I get it. You have no answer.
My answer...”There are FOUR LIGHTS!!!”
And your answer as to what "tied together" means, as it applies to the two seniority lists?
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by DropTanks » Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:55 am

John....it’s not your fault.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

Post by cloak » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:27 am

Persistently perhaps, he seems to make a plausible case for his arguments based on precedence and ALPA's constitution. And as the arbitration does not seem to include Encore, attempting to bring it in via an LOU at this late stage will likely prolong the process further.
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Poll: The One List under ALPA? (53 votes cast)

Post by The Tenth Man » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:45 pm

Answer the poll question:
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Re: Poll: Have Your Say: The One List under ALPA?

Post by Onepilotonehandle » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:43 pm

Answer the troll question....did you vote No 5 times?!
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Re: Poll: Have Your Say: The One List under ALPA?

Post by pacman007 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:55 pm

Why are you posting a poll you have no control over or know the real answer to. You are truly truly someone special... oh and how’s the poll looking?
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Re: Poll: Have Your Say: The One List under ALPA?

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:52 pm

Where's the option where I don't want to feed the troll?
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